Thinking of putting a tuner on your ecoboost?
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Thinking of putting a tuner on your ecoboost?
I have been doing some research on putting a tuner on the ecoboost. Seems that since the 6.0 mess Ford has gotten smarter. Also seems that some have blown the eco in the Taurus SHO's. You can make up your own mind.
I found this on FTE in a closed thread about "can tuners be detected" "And is also why ALL of the new Ford turbocharged vehicle PCM's are now encrypted by Bosch"
From yellow bullet, a racing forum:
To: All Ford and Lincoln Mercury Dealerships
Subject: Aftermarket Modifications – Warranty Cancellation
BACKGROUND
Aftermarket companies (referred to as "tuners") attempt to increase an engine's torque and power output beyond the design limits which may cause powertrain failures. This is often accomplished by modifying the engine calibration (referred to as "chipping") but may also include modifications or adjustments to other components. Per the Warranty Guide that is provided to the customer and the Warranty & Policy Manual, failures resulting from modifications are not warranted by Ford Motor Company.
All powertrains are subject to warranty cancellation if a modification causes a failure. For the 3.5L EcoBoost technical service bulletin TSB 10-2-6 was published to enable your technicians to determine:
If a powertrain failure resulted from an unauthorized modification
If the engine, transmission, or entire powertrain warranty should be cancelled
Per the inspection process included in this TSB a Ford Motor Company inspector may assist with this analysis. When the inspection process clearly indicates that a failure was caused by an unauthorized modification/alteration the repair should not be completed under Warranty and, using the following process, the vehicle's remaining Engine, Transmission, or Powertrain warranty should be cancelled.
WARRANTY CANCELLATION PROCESS
To initiate a warranty cancellation on an affected vehicle, submit a warranty cancellation request form through FMCDealer.com. This on-line form can be accessed as follows:
FMCDealer.com
Select Parts & Service tab
Select Warranty Administration & Parts Return
Select Warranty Cancellation / Reinstatement Request Form
Complete and submit this form on-line.
Once the warranty is cancelled an OASIS message will advise all dealerships that the vehicle is no longer eligible for warranty coverage
Here is the TSB
Review Service Procedure
SERVICE PROCEDURE
Unauthorized calibration modifications may or may not be detectable using standard tools (Integrated Diagnostic System (IDS), Portable Diagnostic Software (PDS), NGS+ VCM). Changes can be made to the calibration and flashed to the PCM through the OBD port. Physical modifications to the hardware may or may not be present. If aftermarket power/torque-increasing modifications are suspected, care should be taken to record and store the following items: Permanent Diagnostic Trouble Codes (DTCs), Pending DTCs, Freeze Frame Data, Mode 6 and Mode 9 data. The data should be printed and attached to the repair order for later reference.
The DTCs, freeze frame data, Mode 6 and 9 data can be obtained by using the IDS, PDS or NGS+VCM under tool box selection. The Powertrain tab will provide the OBD Test Modes tab and Mode 6 and 9 data selection after the vehicle has been identified.
Attempting to increase the engine output via recalibrating the PCM may result in poor drivability, DTCs, or component failures. A partial list of calibration induced component failures is given below:
The following list contains items that are frequently modified in an effort to increase the engines torque/power output. Modifying these items may, or may not improve the performance, but can lead to drivability issues, DTCs and possibly component failures:
Figure 1 - Article 10-2-6
Review Engine Damage:
Piston Damage
Top ring delaminating and top ring land pitting caused by excessive spark advance.
I found this on FTE in a closed thread about "can tuners be detected" "And is also why ALL of the new Ford turbocharged vehicle PCM's are now encrypted by Bosch"
From yellow bullet, a racing forum:
To: All Ford and Lincoln Mercury Dealerships
Subject: Aftermarket Modifications – Warranty Cancellation
BACKGROUND
Aftermarket companies (referred to as "tuners") attempt to increase an engine's torque and power output beyond the design limits which may cause powertrain failures. This is often accomplished by modifying the engine calibration (referred to as "chipping") but may also include modifications or adjustments to other components. Per the Warranty Guide that is provided to the customer and the Warranty & Policy Manual, failures resulting from modifications are not warranted by Ford Motor Company.
All powertrains are subject to warranty cancellation if a modification causes a failure. For the 3.5L EcoBoost technical service bulletin TSB 10-2-6 was published to enable your technicians to determine:
If a powertrain failure resulted from an unauthorized modification
If the engine, transmission, or entire powertrain warranty should be cancelled
Per the inspection process included in this TSB a Ford Motor Company inspector may assist with this analysis. When the inspection process clearly indicates that a failure was caused by an unauthorized modification/alteration the repair should not be completed under Warranty and, using the following process, the vehicle's remaining Engine, Transmission, or Powertrain warranty should be cancelled.
WARRANTY CANCELLATION PROCESS
To initiate a warranty cancellation on an affected vehicle, submit a warranty cancellation request form through FMCDealer.com. This on-line form can be accessed as follows:
FMCDealer.com
Select Parts & Service tab
Select Warranty Administration & Parts Return
Select Warranty Cancellation / Reinstatement Request Form
Complete and submit this form on-line.
Once the warranty is cancelled an OASIS message will advise all dealerships that the vehicle is no longer eligible for warranty coverage
Here is the TSB
Review Service Procedure
SERVICE PROCEDURE
Unauthorized calibration modifications may or may not be detectable using standard tools (Integrated Diagnostic System (IDS), Portable Diagnostic Software (PDS), NGS+ VCM). Changes can be made to the calibration and flashed to the PCM through the OBD port. Physical modifications to the hardware may or may not be present. If aftermarket power/torque-increasing modifications are suspected, care should be taken to record and store the following items: Permanent Diagnostic Trouble Codes (DTCs), Pending DTCs, Freeze Frame Data, Mode 6 and Mode 9 data. The data should be printed and attached to the repair order for later reference.
The DTCs, freeze frame data, Mode 6 and 9 data can be obtained by using the IDS, PDS or NGS+VCM under tool box selection. The Powertrain tab will provide the OBD Test Modes tab and Mode 6 and 9 data selection after the vehicle has been identified.
Attempting to increase the engine output via recalibrating the PCM may result in poor drivability, DTCs, or component failures. A partial list of calibration induced component failures is given below:
- Piston damage.
- Spark over-advanced (knock-induced damage).
- Insufficient enrichment.
- Turbocharger damage.
- Catalyst damage.
- Transmission, PTU, Torque converter damage.
The following list contains items that are frequently modified in an effort to increase the engines torque/power output. Modifying these items may, or may not improve the performance, but can lead to drivability issues, DTCs and possibly component failures:
- Air induction system (air box, low pressure and high pressure air ducts).
- Wastegate actuator pre-tension.
- Throttle inlet and intake manifold pressure sensors.
- Additional fuel injection devices.
- PCV system modifications.
- Compressor bypass modifications (a.k.a. blow-off valve, or anti-surge valve).
- Exhaust air path/system.
- Thermostat modifications.
Figure 1 - Article 10-2-6
Review Engine Damage:
Piston Damage
Top ring delaminating and top ring land pitting caused by excessive spark advance.
Last edited by johndeerefarmer; 03-05-2011 at 06:29 PM.
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wow, so no CAI's, no cat-backs, no tunes, nuthiing...
At least they didn't say anything about lifts and big tires...
Oh well, i never mod my truck much anyways. But I am guessing this will P!$$ off some folks...
Hope to order min this week...
At least they didn't say anything about lifts and big tires...
Oh well, i never mod my truck much anyways. But I am guessing this will P!$$ off some folks...
Hope to order min this week...
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Thanks for posting that JDF! The salesman I've been dealing with on my EB has pretty much been saying that just about anything you "mod" on the EB will void the warranty....and now you've show the proof. I'm going to copy that information and save it....maybe we should make that a standard reply when these guys start talking about how they are going to "mod" their new EB!
By the way....my Mrs. came home on Friday and said that our truck had been returned to the factory last Wed, and then released again on Thur. The last word I got was it's scheduled to show up at the dealership this coming week, but after that news, I'll be shocked if it does. What's the status of your new rig?
By the way....my Mrs. came home on Friday and said that our truck had been returned to the factory last Wed, and then released again on Thur. The last word I got was it's scheduled to show up at the dealership this coming week, but after that news, I'll be shocked if it does. What's the status of your new rig?
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Thanks for posting that JDF! The salesman I've been dealing with on my EB has pretty much been saying that just about anything you "mod" on the EB will void the warranty....and now you've show the proof. I'm going to copy that information and save it....maybe we should make that a standard reply when these guys start talking about how they are going to "mod" their new EB!
By the way....my Mrs. came home on Friday and said that our truck had been returned to the factory last Wed, and then released again on Thur. The last word I got was it's scheduled to show up at the dealership this coming week, but after that news, I'll be shocked if it does. What's the status of your new rig?
By the way....my Mrs. came home on Friday and said that our truck had been returned to the factory last Wed, and then released again on Thur. The last word I got was it's scheduled to show up at the dealership this coming week, but after that news, I'll be shocked if it does. What's the status of your new rig?
I was told delivery was supposed to be March 3-5th. I didn't get a call today from the dealership, so maybe it will be in next week
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DITTO! I find it surprising at how little research some folks are doing, and just jump right into one of these rigs with the express idea of "modding" everything about it.
The guy who does our "Bullhide" locally found out last year when he purchased a new diesel Ford and immediately "tuned" it. He wound up melting a piston to a head. Ford discovered/tracked the tuning in the PCM...and voided the entire power train warranty. He spent a lot of time and money on a law suit, but in the end it wound up costing him 8K to fix the truck, and lots more on the loosing law suit.
The way the service folks at the Ford dealership talk, I get the impression that it's not only the EB they are intent on folks not modding... I think it would be wise for ANYONE thinking of modding one of the 2011 trucks to ask first.
I'm gona go out on a limb here and predict that once a lot of 2011s get on the road, we are going to see all kinds of people coming to the forums and complaining about how Ford voided their warranty, and would not fix something a mod messed up. I can also see the complaints coming in that "Well! The dealership never told me doing XXXX would void my warranty!"
I think the post the JDF made should be made a "sticky"!!
The guy who does our "Bullhide" locally found out last year when he purchased a new diesel Ford and immediately "tuned" it. He wound up melting a piston to a head. Ford discovered/tracked the tuning in the PCM...and voided the entire power train warranty. He spent a lot of time and money on a law suit, but in the end it wound up costing him 8K to fix the truck, and lots more on the loosing law suit.
The way the service folks at the Ford dealership talk, I get the impression that it's not only the EB they are intent on folks not modding... I think it would be wise for ANYONE thinking of modding one of the 2011 trucks to ask first.
I'm gona go out on a limb here and predict that once a lot of 2011s get on the road, we are going to see all kinds of people coming to the forums and complaining about how Ford voided their warranty, and would not fix something a mod messed up. I can also see the complaints coming in that "Well! The dealership never told me doing XXXX would void my warranty!"
I think the post the JDF made should be made a "sticky"!!
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DITTO! I find it surprising at how little research some folks are doing, and just jump right into one of these rigs with the express idea of "modding" everything about it.
The guy who does our "Bullhide" locally found out last year when he purchased a new diesel Ford and immediately "tuned" it. He wound up melting a piston to a head. Ford discovered/tracked the tuning in the PCM...and voided the entire power train warranty. He spent a lot of time and money on a law suit, but in the end it wound up costing him 8K to fix the truck, and lots more on the loosing law suit.
The way the service folks at the Ford dealership talk, I get the impression that it's not only the EB they are intent on folks not modding... I think it would be wise for ANYONE thinking of modding one of the 2011 trucks to ask first.
I'm gona go out on a limb here and predict that once a lot of 2011s get on the road, we are going to see all kinds of people coming to the forums and complaining about how Ford voided their warranty, and would not fix something a mod messed up. I can also see the complaints coming in that "Well! The dealership never told me doing XXXX would void my warranty!"
I think the post the JDF made should be made a "sticky"!!
The guy who does our "Bullhide" locally found out last year when he purchased a new diesel Ford and immediately "tuned" it. He wound up melting a piston to a head. Ford discovered/tracked the tuning in the PCM...and voided the entire power train warranty. He spent a lot of time and money on a law suit, but in the end it wound up costing him 8K to fix the truck, and lots more on the loosing law suit.
The way the service folks at the Ford dealership talk, I get the impression that it's not only the EB they are intent on folks not modding... I think it would be wise for ANYONE thinking of modding one of the 2011 trucks to ask first.
I'm gona go out on a limb here and predict that once a lot of 2011s get on the road, we are going to see all kinds of people coming to the forums and complaining about how Ford voided their warranty, and would not fix something a mod messed up. I can also see the complaints coming in that "Well! The dealership never told me doing XXXX would void my warranty!"
I think the post the JDF made should be made a "sticky"!!
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The EB is putting our more HP & TQ then any diesel engine did a decade ago, who needs to mod to get more power? It will be a kick *** motor right off the lot!! It will be nice to drive a quiet powerful gas engine, I love diesel but as soon as I drove the EB I have to have it I mean it has twins from the factory!! Cant wait.
I will admit I own a 05 Cummins, and as soon as Mama gets her new EB Lariat, I will be on a quest to but twins on my Cummins and other HP goodies, but it is out of warranty!
I will admit I own a 05 Cummins, and as soon as Mama gets her new EB Lariat, I will be on a quest to but twins on my Cummins and other HP goodies, but it is out of warranty!