engineermike

The difference is the velocity of the air where the pooling occurs. Top mount may help with condensation, but I don't really like them.

Left Plate

But aren't we splitting hairs at this point? I will have to check, but I think the piping off my FR is larger than OEM?

engineermike

I did some quick and dirty calcs and I believe the velocity in the fr pipe is at least 4x higher than in the stock cac end tank. I'm not sure what we're debating, though, because it works for some and not for others.

Left Plate

I am not trying to debate, just trying to learn. Wouldn't more velocity be a good thing in order to clear out condensation?
I question wether some of the reported incidents with aftermarket ICs are truly condensation issues, or more transmission or other issues?

EcoPowerParts

OK guys apparently some people have taken offense to my statement above so I'd like to clarify:

1. Thank you engineermike for making this post, I find it valuable and important in the group working together to find a solution.
2. I am happy to be able to offer new products for the F150 but I can not substantiate the fact that the intercooler I will be offering you guys will in fact eliminate the shudder/condensation issues. I will be happy however to do whatever I can to work with vendors and during prototyping my own parts with partners to help resolve this issue. I can't however substantiate those results as we don't have the issues here in AZ.

Carry on! Just happy to be a part of the ecoboost community and development of awesomeness!

LastResort

Fords response to the NHTSA makes for an interesting read.

http://www-odi.nhtsa.dot.gov/acms/cs...018-57516P.pdf

Based their information, it seems like the hole and a modification of driving habits is the cheapest and most direct method solving the issue. Honestly though, stomping on the accelerator at 50 MPH and forcing a downshift to 2nd doesn't really sound like a good/safe passing technique.

Also of note, ford's response seems to indicate that some of the worst case situations are likely a combination of issues, as ingestion of 8 oz of water () causes a loss of acceleration, but not a reduction of speed.

SkiSmuggs

I noticed one TSB was issued to help techs diagnose other issues I have mentioned such as bad plugs, coils, etc, but then it was superseded by another plastic plate TSB which may not have included the diagnostic instruction.
I didn't see any mention of hole drilling, but I wonder if a PCM program change to prevent the 6-2 downshift at speeds of 45 or 50+ would help. I hate it when it does that anyway. I played with it on the way to work this morning with the SCT 87 tune and it accelerated to passing speed quickly if my foot stopped somewhere short of WOT and only downshifted 2 or 3 gears.

Snowflake

That's my feeling to 2 is to far down if you ease into it even at 60 to pass you feel it pull more if it only drops a couple of gears. With my unleashed 91 performance tune shoving it all the way down just over revs and gets you no where ease in and drop a couple and it pulls even stock on mine you accelerate quicker between 1/2 and 7/8 ths throttle.

engineermike

Just thinking that higher velocity would carry smaller volumes of water into the motor, rather than one big slug. It seems to me that smaller sips would be tolerable.

Absolutely possible.

scap99

High velocity is usually found with a larger static pressure drop...