Official Sibling Rivalry Death Match!
12-14-2011, 08:32 AM
#11
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Purely strategy. They needed the investment in the Ecoboost to be both accepted by bureaucratic legislation and the buying public. Getting the consumer to leave their trusty V8's was a huge gamble. But they spec'd out the motors accordingly, giving us two amazing engines. Yet, the EB comes across as more desirable for the 'need for the most power' crowd and the 'need for the most mpg' crowd. As much as the EB can pull like a mule, into the boost, and those mpg's plummet quick. But Ford knows how we use our trucks better than we do. Sure, alot of us work our trucks, towing, hauling, playing, etc. But Ford focus groups also tell them that most people use theses big honkin' trucks for commuting, 'hauling' groceries, and carting little ones to soccer practice. Those are the people who will see that EB shine. Power when needed, lots to brag about, and respectable fuel numbers for a truck.
In a couple of years, they may add a couple of turbos on that beauty 5.0, plop it into the Raptor, and voila! These forums will be filled with 6.2 vs. 5.0 TT banter.
In a couple of years, they may add a couple of turbos on that beauty 5.0, plop it into the Raptor, and voila! These forums will be filled with 6.2 vs. 5.0 TT banter.
12-14-2011, 09:34 AM
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Exactly, all companies will do this for truck based design. Check out the specs on the chevy small block 6.2 I had in my vette compared to one foe a truck. They have numerous reasons, in a car (especially a sports car) it's assumed you don't mind revving it that high to get the power and it will rev up rather quickly because you're not pushing 6,000 lbs with it. Also since the motor is not pushing so much weight it doesn't have to stress as hard at such high rpm.
The other factor is heat. Hp makes heat. They know that not only does a car weigh half as much and not stress the motor as much but it's highly unlikely to be under a super strenuous load. In a truck it's likely the owner might even have too much of a load to tow. So they tune it down to create less heat when over stressing the engine.
On another side note if you want a drag queen pickup and don't care about stressing the motor the changes made to retune it are usually simple intake especially up to the manifold, exhaust, tuning and cam differences.
From what I know thats about the only differences in the motors themselves. Now the Eco on the other hand got tuned up for the trucks, all kinds of forged components and such. it's almost a very different motor which is nice that Ford is looking to push this design further... Makes me really wonder what it's safely capable of if tuned for racing like if they'd possibly take the forged truck design and put it in a mustang!!! My God that would be fun!
The other factor is heat. Hp makes heat. They know that not only does a car weigh half as much and not stress the motor as much but it's highly unlikely to be under a super strenuous load. In a truck it's likely the owner might even have too much of a load to tow. So they tune it down to create less heat when over stressing the engine.
On another side note if you want a drag queen pickup and don't care about stressing the motor the changes made to retune it are usually simple intake especially up to the manifold, exhaust, tuning and cam differences.
From what I know thats about the only differences in the motors themselves. Now the Eco on the other hand got tuned up for the trucks, all kinds of forged components and such. it's almost a very different motor which is nice that Ford is looking to push this design further... Makes me really wonder what it's safely capable of if tuned for racing like if they'd possibly take the forged truck design and put it in a mustang!!! My God that would be fun!
12-14-2011, 09:43 AM
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I have a 5.0 I turned down every Eco they tried to sell me. Cuz I just love the v8 sound. I'm old fashion trucks r suppose to have a v8 
that powerful sound you can get from the 5.0 is just sexy in my mind Eco is cool just not my thing. And as for racing I'm not in the bout to beat anyone in my truck maybe a smart car haha.
that powerful sound you can get from the 5.0 is just sexy in my mind Eco is cool just not my thing. And as for racing I'm not in the bout to beat anyone in my truck maybe a smart car haha.
12-14-2011, 09:48 AM
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I have stayed out of the whole, 5.0 vs. EB piece to this point, however, in a thread of its own I feel it appropriate. I agree with an earlier poster in that they are both great engines for their respective purposes. With that said the reason the 5.0 is detuned in relation to the Mustang is for Truck usefulness, although the reason it takes a power hit is to assist in the success of the fresh EB technology. As much as it pains me to say EB is the way ahead. But the test will be the 100,000 mile mark and how the EB works after 100,000 miles of hard consumer use.
I will say though, when I went in to the dealer to buy my 2011 XLT 4X4 Off Road 5.0 I told them I wanted a V8. They tried to sell me on the EB, but I told them V6 trucks are for imports. Bought the 5.0 and love it.
I will say though, when I went in to the dealer to buy my 2011 XLT 4X4 Off Road 5.0 I told them I wanted a V8. They tried to sell me on the EB, but I told them V6 trucks are for imports. Bought the 5.0 and love it.
12-14-2011, 10:05 AM
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Aggiechad2005, one of my best friends is named Chad. Grew up around him and he went to TAMU when I went to SFASU. I think he graduated in '06 though and now he's a fireman up in Dallas. Funny stuff, you didn't happen to major in agronomy did you?!
12-14-2011, 10:12 AM
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Originally Posted by Buellracer
Aggiechad2005, one of my best friends is named Chad. Grew up around him and he went to TAMU when I went to SFASU. I think he graduated in '06 though and now he's a fireman up in Dallas. Funny stuff, you didn't happen to major in agronomy did you?!
12-14-2011, 10:20 AM
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Purely strategy. They needed the investment in the Ecoboost to be both accepted by bureaucratic legislation and the buying public. Getting the consumer to leave their trusty V8's was a huge gamble. But they spec'd out the motors accordingly, giving us two amazing engines. Yet, the EB comes across as more desirable for the 'need for the most power' crowd and the 'need for the most mpg' crowd. As much as the EB can pull like a mule, into the boost, and those mpg's plummet quick. But Ford knows how we use our trucks better than we do. Sure, alot of us work our trucks, towing, hauling, playing, etc. But Ford focus groups also tell them that most people use theses big honkin' trucks for commuting, 'hauling' groceries, and carting little ones to soccer practice. Those are the people who will see that EB shine. Power when needed, lots to brag about, and respectable fuel numbers for a truck.
In a couple of years, they may add a couple of turbos on that beauty 5.0, plop it into the Raptor, and voila! These forums will be filled with 6.2 vs. 5.0 TT banter.
In a couple of years, they may add a couple of turbos on that beauty 5.0, plop it into the Raptor, and voila! These forums will be filled with 6.2 vs. 5.0 TT banter.
12-14-2011, 10:23 AM
#19
To discount my theory, and lend support to your simple 'detuning' theories, it can also be noted that those awesome Mustang numbers are attained through use of premium fuel. They don't ever brag what they attain on regular. Never bothered to look to see if EB numbers are attained similarily. But my understanding is premium is recommended in the manual for optimal performance. Still wondering why direct injection didn't make it to the 5.0 though? If there's a mechanical reason, fill me in.
12-14-2011, 10:32 AM
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Well then Aggiechad2005 I must say #1 thank you for your service and #2 my Eco will drag your beautiful sounding 5.0 (thats not sarcasm I almost bought one because it sounded even better than my vette!) all over town! LOL! Jk
Keep it going guys! Although I LOVE how after all the whiney pissing matches that all the other threads turn into that we get a thread to really go at it and we all have an intelligent and meaningful conversation about the things we like about the trucks that we put our money on! That's what it's all about! I LOVE my eco but I could never blame anyone for choosing a 5.0 because that is truly one of the sexiest sounding motors I've EVER heard and the Eco was actually a tough sell on me because of that. Would I change my choice, HELL NO but I would only expect the same from someone that drove both like me and choose the 5.0. They are two hellaciously nice motors in some of the most bad *** trucks that have ever been made!
Carry on fellas!
Keep it going guys! Although I LOVE how after all the whiney pissing matches that all the other threads turn into that we get a thread to really go at it and we all have an intelligent and meaningful conversation about the things we like about the trucks that we put our money on! That's what it's all about! I LOVE my eco but I could never blame anyone for choosing a 5.0 because that is truly one of the sexiest sounding motors I've EVER heard and the Eco was actually a tough sell on me because of that. Would I change my choice, HELL NO but I would only expect the same from someone that drove both like me and choose the 5.0. They are two hellaciously nice motors in some of the most bad *** trucks that have ever been made!
Carry on fellas!
