New to Ford and New to Forum...my thoughts so far
10-27-2013, 08:20 PM
#21
I don't care about the problems with the Titan, I have just merely stated my issues with the present truck that I own and compared those issues to the Titan. I don't even own the Titan anymore so it doesn't even matter, but that doesn't make the issues with the Ford go away. Its like a bunch of Aggies trash talking the Longhorns even though it doesn't matter any more.
I appreciate all the great input on how to solve problems with the Ford, and the great encouragement to post my findings about the truck.
Please note my sarcasm as I have received no useful feedback, questions, or comments about my present truck.
I appreciate all the great input on how to solve problems with the Ford, and the great encouragement to post my findings about the truck.
Please note my sarcasm as I have received no useful feedback, questions, or comments about my present truck.
Unlike you obviously, many of us here have had nothing but troubles with the cheaper made Titan. It's much lighter for a reason.
And unlike you, many of us aren't having all the problems you sited.
1. Factory shocks are absolutely pathetic. Every time you hit a bump it bounces, and doesn't control it well. (see mods below). The Titan was MUCH better about this.
2. Plastic gas tank skid...really?
3. Dash sounds like it has a bird chirping in it (goes away if I push bottom right corner of center bezel) and rattles in a different spot.
4. Front plastic piece on the drivers side door pillar rattles
5. Transmission is indecisive and takes forever to respond in comparison to Titan. Titans Transmission was far better performing in these aspects. I hate how it downshifts twice rather than just going to the correct gear in the first place.
6. Wheel hop is horrible when the tires spin... feels like it is going to break something. Titan NEVER did this.
7. Navigation flat out sucks. Especially the voice commands part of it when entering a street address.
2. Plastic gas tank skid...really?
3. Dash sounds like it has a bird chirping in it (goes away if I push bottom right corner of center bezel) and rattles in a different spot.
4. Front plastic piece on the drivers side door pillar rattles
5. Transmission is indecisive and takes forever to respond in comparison to Titan. Titans Transmission was far better performing in these aspects. I hate how it downshifts twice rather than just going to the correct gear in the first place.
6. Wheel hop is horrible when the tires spin... feels like it is going to break something. Titan NEVER did this.
7. Navigation flat out sucks. Especially the voice commands part of it when entering a street address.
The Titan was terrible suspension wise. It had a soft suspension that bounced all over the place when hitting dips in the road. You could feel yourself coming out of the seat. The F150 is much more controlled with a stiffer rear end that's not all over the place.
Plus my bed stays put on rough roads. The Titans bed would bounce separately from the cab, all over. It was shocking how much it bounced out of alignment with the cab, when on rough roads.
My Titan was a rattle trap that service couldn't fix, no matter how many times it was in. My F150 and my past 2010 F150, have been dead quite with no rattles.
The transmission in the F150 is much more responsive to downshift under lighter throttle where heavier throttle was needed to force a downshift with the Titan. This made for a rougher ride as the heavier throttle to force the downshift, made going from a low rpm to a very high rpm, since it took longer for the downshift to occur.
The 5.0L shifts easier and more responsive so it downshifts to the next lower gear. If you need further power by pushing harder down on the throttle, it will downshift another gear. The Titan's transmission was lazy, as I stated, needing that heavy throttle to force a downshift, missing the first downshift gear from it's lack of responsiveness.
The 5.0L and even the 5.4L, are smoother. Yes, with adaptive learning transmissions, they occasionally get confused with their shifting IF your driving style changes. It's to offer better performance as I stated, and better mileage (which the Titan sucks at as you noted).
I don't use their map navigation. I used the Ford Sync Voice and Text navigation. It's not without it's problems but either are any of the others. I prefer to use my Samsung Galaxy S4 with Google's Map Navigation. It's the best I found using easy voice commands and very quick in it's setup.
I would never buy a built in Nav system. They are way overpriced, you'll be stuck with aging technology, plus it can't be transferred to another vehicle.
I had bad wheel hop in my 2010 but it used a limited slip differential along with electronic brake limited slip. I feel they sometimes fought each other. I don't experience with my 2012 that uses a electronic locking differential, but is open in normal driving, using electronic limited slip by itself (just like the Titan
).Remember you're at F150Forum and not Titan Talk. That accepted behavior at Titan Talk isn't accepted here. Your thread came off as talking up a Titan, which many here found to be crap, and talked down the F150, which many here found to better than any other. Of course your thread is going to draw reactions.
As I said, I was glad you didn't have all the Titan issues than many of us did, but you still came off as upset that we didn't share your experiences.
Sorry, we like our F150s. Now the 2009 and 2010 did have their problems but they were first year models.
10-27-2013, 08:34 PM
#22
Re: Oddball
You are right...I really didnt ask any questions, but was hoping that mentioning a few issues I have encountered would have sparked discussion about the truck at stake (the ecoboost), not my old truck. Things like, "yeah I had that problem too" or " I agree the shocks suck, so I put ____ on there and they are much better" or "I found this trick about the navigation commands which makes it much more accurate" or "I suggest doing _____ to fix that door rattle," would have been more in the right place. Your comments were fair and I appreciate that. After all, did I ask what people thought about the Titan? I know I sure didnt ask if people had rust issues or ticking issues with the Titan.
Like I said it was like a bunch of Aggies...say I am an Aggie, and make a statement that "We (aggies) played like crap the other day, but did you see how well those Longhors actually did against OU?" Then the other aggies turn around and say Longhorns suck for this reason and suck for that reason, but never talk about how they should become better themselves even though they lost that last battle. Basically make themselves look better by bashing others rather than making themselves better from what they learned.
You are right...I really didnt ask any questions, but was hoping that mentioning a few issues I have encountered would have sparked discussion about the truck at stake (the ecoboost), not my old truck. Things like, "yeah I had that problem too" or " I agree the shocks suck, so I put ____ on there and they are much better" or "I found this trick about the navigation commands which makes it much more accurate" or "I suggest doing _____ to fix that door rattle," would have been more in the right place. Your comments were fair and I appreciate that. After all, did I ask what people thought about the Titan? I know I sure didnt ask if people had rust issues or ticking issues with the Titan.
Like I said it was like a bunch of Aggies...say I am an Aggie, and make a statement that "We (aggies) played like crap the other day, but did you see how well those Longhors actually did against OU?" Then the other aggies turn around and say Longhorns suck for this reason and suck for that reason, but never talk about how they should become better themselves even though they lost that last battle. Basically make themselves look better by bashing others rather than making themselves better from what they learned.
Last edited by EcoBrook; 10-27-2013 at 08:37 PM.
10-27-2013, 08:53 PM
#24
Senior Member
Re: Oddball
You are right...I really didnt ask any questions, but was hoping that mentioning a few issues I have encountered would have sparked discussion about the truck at stake (the ecoboost), not my old truck. Things like, "yeah I had that problem too" or " I agree the shocks suck, so I put ____ on there and they are much better" or "I found this trick about the navigation commands which makes it much more accurate" or "I suggest doing _____ to fix that door rattle," would have been more in the right place. Your comments were fair and I appreciate that. After all, did I ask what people thought about the Titan? I know I sure didnt ask if people had rust issues or ticking issues with the Titan.
Like I said it was like a bunch of Aggies...say I am an Aggie, and make a statement that "We (aggies) played like crap the other day, but did you see how well those Longhors actually did against OU?" Then the other aggies turn around and say Longhorns suck for this reason and suck for that reason, but never talk about how they should become better themselves even though they lost that last battle. Basically make themselves look better by bashing others rather than making themselves better from what they learned.
You are right...I really didnt ask any questions, but was hoping that mentioning a few issues I have encountered would have sparked discussion about the truck at stake (the ecoboost), not my old truck. Things like, "yeah I had that problem too" or " I agree the shocks suck, so I put ____ on there and they are much better" or "I found this trick about the navigation commands which makes it much more accurate" or "I suggest doing _____ to fix that door rattle," would have been more in the right place. Your comments were fair and I appreciate that. After all, did I ask what people thought about the Titan? I know I sure didnt ask if people had rust issues or ticking issues with the Titan.
Like I said it was like a bunch of Aggies...say I am an Aggie, and make a statement that "We (aggies) played like crap the other day, but did you see how well those Longhors actually did against OU?" Then the other aggies turn around and say Longhorns suck for this reason and suck for that reason, but never talk about how they should become better themselves even though they lost that last battle. Basically make themselves look better by bashing others rather than making themselves better from what they learned.
10-27-2013, 09:10 PM
#25
You made the Titan out to be a great truck while pointing problems to the F150.
Unlike you obviously, many of us here have had nothing but troubles with the cheaper made Titan. It's much lighter for a reason.
And unlike you, many of us aren't having all the problems you sited.
The F150, as well as my previous 2010, have been the most rattle free trucks or any vehicle, I've owned to day. Dead quite from superior build quality.
The Titan was terrible suspension wise. It had a soft suspension that bounced all over the place when hitting dips in the road. You could feel yourself coming out of the seat. The F150 is much more controlled with a stiffer rear end that's not all over the place.
Plus my bed stays put on rough roads. The Titans bed would bounce separately from the cab, all over. It was shocking how much it bounced out of alignment with the cab, when on rough roads.
My Titan was a rattle trap that service couldn't fix, no matter how many times it was in. My F150 and my past 2010 F150, have been dead quite with no rattles.
The transmission in the F150 is much more responsive to downshift under lighter throttle where heavier throttle was needed to force a downshift with the Titan. This made for a rougher ride as the heavier throttle to force the downshift, made going from a low rpm to a very high rpm, since it took longer for the downshift to occur.
The 5.0L shifts easier and more responsive so it downshifts to the next lower gear. If you need further power by pushing harder down on the throttle, it will downshift another gear. The Titan's transmission was lazy, as I stated, needing that heavy throttle to force a downshift, missing the first downshift gear from it's lack of responsiveness.
The 5.0L and even the 5.4L, are smoother. Yes, with adaptive learning transmissions, they occasionally get confused with their shifting IF your driving style changes. It's to offer better performance as I stated, and better mileage (which the Titan sucks at as you noted).
I don't use their map navigation. I used the Ford Sync Voice and Text navigation. It's not without it's problems but either are any of the others. I prefer to use my Samsung Galaxy S4 with Google's Map Navigation. It's the best I found using easy voice commands and very quick in it's setup.
I would never buy a built in Nav system. They are way overpriced, you'll be stuck with aging technology, plus it can't be transferred to another vehicle.
I had bad wheel hop in my 2010 but it used a limited slip differential along with electronic brake limited slip. I feel they sometimes fought each other. I don't experience with my 2012 that uses a electronic locking differential, but is open in normal driving, using electronic limited slip by itself (just like the Titan ).
Remember you're at F150Forum and not Titan Talk. That accepted behavior at Titan Talk isn't accepted here. Your thread came off as talking up a Titan, which many here found to be crap, and talked down the F150, which many here found to better than any other. Of course your thread is going to draw reactions.
As I said, I was glad you didn't have all the Titan issues than many of us did, but you still came off as upset that we didn't share your experiences.
Sorry, we like our F150s. Now the 2009 and 2010 did have their problems but they were first year models.
Unlike you obviously, many of us here have had nothing but troubles with the cheaper made Titan. It's much lighter for a reason.
And unlike you, many of us aren't having all the problems you sited.
The F150, as well as my previous 2010, have been the most rattle free trucks or any vehicle, I've owned to day. Dead quite from superior build quality.
The Titan was terrible suspension wise. It had a soft suspension that bounced all over the place when hitting dips in the road. You could feel yourself coming out of the seat. The F150 is much more controlled with a stiffer rear end that's not all over the place.
Plus my bed stays put on rough roads. The Titans bed would bounce separately from the cab, all over. It was shocking how much it bounced out of alignment with the cab, when on rough roads.
My Titan was a rattle trap that service couldn't fix, no matter how many times it was in. My F150 and my past 2010 F150, have been dead quite with no rattles.
The transmission in the F150 is much more responsive to downshift under lighter throttle where heavier throttle was needed to force a downshift with the Titan. This made for a rougher ride as the heavier throttle to force the downshift, made going from a low rpm to a very high rpm, since it took longer for the downshift to occur.
The 5.0L shifts easier and more responsive so it downshifts to the next lower gear. If you need further power by pushing harder down on the throttle, it will downshift another gear. The Titan's transmission was lazy, as I stated, needing that heavy throttle to force a downshift, missing the first downshift gear from it's lack of responsiveness.
The 5.0L and even the 5.4L, are smoother. Yes, with adaptive learning transmissions, they occasionally get confused with their shifting IF your driving style changes. It's to offer better performance as I stated, and better mileage (which the Titan sucks at as you noted).
I don't use their map navigation. I used the Ford Sync Voice and Text navigation. It's not without it's problems but either are any of the others. I prefer to use my Samsung Galaxy S4 with Google's Map Navigation. It's the best I found using easy voice commands and very quick in it's setup.
I would never buy a built in Nav system. They are way overpriced, you'll be stuck with aging technology, plus it can't be transferred to another vehicle.
I had bad wheel hop in my 2010 but it used a limited slip differential along with electronic brake limited slip. I feel they sometimes fought each other. I don't experience with my 2012 that uses a electronic locking differential, but is open in normal driving, using electronic limited slip by itself (just like the Titan
).Remember you're at F150Forum and not Titan Talk. That accepted behavior at Titan Talk isn't accepted here. Your thread came off as talking up a Titan, which many here found to be crap, and talked down the F150, which many here found to better than any other. Of course your thread is going to draw reactions.
As I said, I was glad you didn't have all the Titan issues than many of us did, but you still came off as upset that we didn't share your experiences.
Sorry, we like our F150s. Now the 2009 and 2010 did have their problems but they were first year models.
Titan had an electronic locker just like my Ford, so is apples to apples on wheelspin comparison. Also the Titan came with Rancho Shocks in the Pro4X package, which would largely contribute to why I experienced a much better ride.
Ok, I am done about the Titan...........
On a separate note....
I'll post the traction bar build soon, once the mounts are all painted etc.
After getting to drive around more today on the completed traction bars, these are the effects I noticed:
1. 99% less wheel hop. whats left is negligible and could be due to road surface.
2. It hooks up much better. Much less spin per unit of throttle than before.
3. Reduced bounciness on washboard roads.
4. Shifts seem much more sure and less sloppy.
The one obvious downside about them is the decreased ground clearance.
10-27-2013, 09:27 PM
#26
Senior Member
Re: Oddball
You are right...I really didnt ask any questions, but was hoping that mentioning a few issues I have encountered would have sparked discussion about the truck at stake (the ecoboost), not my old truck. Things like, "yeah I had that problem too" or " I agree the shocks suck, so I put ____ on there and they are much better" or "I found this trick about the navigation commands which makes it much more accurate" or "I suggest doing _____ to fix that door rattle," would have been more in the right place. Your comments were fair and I appreciate that. After all, did I ask what people thought about the Titan? I know I sure didnt ask if people had rust issues or ticking issues with the Titan.
Like I said it was like a bunch of Aggies...say I am an Aggie, and make a statement that "We (aggies) played like crap the other day, but did you see how well those Longhors actually did against OU?" Then the other aggies turn around and say Longhorns suck for this reason and suck for that reason, but never talk about how they should become better themselves even though they lost that last battle. Basically make themselves look better by bashing others rather than making themselves better from what they learned.
You are right...I really didnt ask any questions, but was hoping that mentioning a few issues I have encountered would have sparked discussion about the truck at stake (the ecoboost), not my old truck. Things like, "yeah I had that problem too" or " I agree the shocks suck, so I put ____ on there and they are much better" or "I found this trick about the navigation commands which makes it much more accurate" or "I suggest doing _____ to fix that door rattle," would have been more in the right place. Your comments were fair and I appreciate that. After all, did I ask what people thought about the Titan? I know I sure didnt ask if people had rust issues or ticking issues with the Titan.
Like I said it was like a bunch of Aggies...say I am an Aggie, and make a statement that "We (aggies) played like crap the other day, but did you see how well those Longhors actually did against OU?" Then the other aggies turn around and say Longhorns suck for this reason and suck for that reason, but never talk about how they should become better themselves even though they lost that last battle. Basically make themselves look better by bashing others rather than making themselves better from what they learned.
As for the Titan, hey, some folks have a hard on for any truck other than the one they own and no matter what you say it's crap to them. Mine was the off-road package too, 04, with the locking diff.
Really though, spend a bit of time searching first. It's not that you can't get answers here but you might be able to get some additional information at your leisure by doing a bit of research.
Regarding the axle wrap I have it pretty bad and its unacceptable in a vehicle this price to have it behave like that if I put my foot into it. I probably won't go the route of traction bars but perhaps a helper spring to the bottom of the pack will fix that issue. I have zero confidence in greasing the drive shaft, changing the pinion angle or anything other than a true mechanical fix. Granted, my needs have changed and I don't mind the softer ride at all but I need to fix this problem. If the carrier bearing becomes an issue I'll let Ford deal with it as it's a 157" wb. If that isn't resolved I'll trash the driveshaft and get a custom 1 piece.
I'd like to see the traction bars once you're done.
10-27-2013, 09:29 PM
#27
My Titan was before the Pro4X was offered. My Titan had the Off Road package which is todays Pro4X. Maybe you have bad shocks. My 2010 had a back shock.
10-27-2013, 10:57 PM
#28
Now we should all do what you say and buy a Kia rather than a Subaru....after all there are probably 20 Kias sold for every one Subaru.
Not saying the 20 to 1 rule didnt work in your favor in the Ford vs. Nissan, but if you live by that rule, you will never really live.
10-28-2013, 02:14 AM
#29
King Lariat
Thanks for putting words in my mouth that I never spoke (and actually disagree with completely).
Now we should all do what you say and buy a Kia rather than a Subaru....after all there are probably 20 Kias sold for every one Subaru.
Not saying the 20 to 1 rule didnt work in your favor in the Ford vs. Nissan, but if you live by that rule, you will never really live.
Now we should all do what you say and buy a Kia rather than a Subaru....after all there are probably 20 Kias sold for every one Subaru.
Not saying the 20 to 1 rule didnt work in your favor in the Ford vs. Nissan, but if you live by that rule, you will never really live.
(Exaggerated, but the point is there)
10-28-2013, 04:59 AM
#30
I'm just gonna stay outta this one since I'm kinda a Titan fanboy lol. I really do miss mine, but I was ready for something new and different which I why I got my Eco. Wouldn't have even considered ford if not for this unique engine. I like to have different stuff than everyone else which Is why I especially liked my 1:20 Titan. Also why I love my cj8 scrambler. Btw sick jeep man!! Mine is nowhere near as built as that. Oh and I haven't experienced any wheel hop yet on the Eco but I'm also xlt with 17s. Wonder if air bags would help???