New Ecoboost Owner, SCARED TO DEATH!
02-04-2015, 03:13 PM
#21
F150 Forum
Thanks PHANTOMBLACKGTO, you are correct. An oil separating system isn't snake oil and the guys that said you don't need a catch can are essentially correct as well. An oil separating catch can system like the ones we manufacture at RX Performance Products are an aftermarket product. Like all aftermarket products, you don't have to have them but in most cases they are an upgrade to OEM. The manufacturers were all forced to go with direct injection by 2008. While it's a step up, getting more performance out of a smaller displacement engine, they no longer wash the valves with fuel. As we know, all engines realize some amount of blow-by and PCV vapors. If these are not properly evacuated, they will coat the valves. This diminishes performance and fuel economy over time.
So... an oil separating catch can system isn't a must but it will certainly help prevent oil ingestion, and in the case of the EcoBoost keep moisture out of the CAC intercooler. Our customers love our product and Ford dealers around the country and in Canada are getting on board. Look, you don't need to do anything to your brand new truck, but spending a few hundred bucks on a system like the RX Oil Separating Catch Can System is simply a good investment. Our system was proven to be 98% effective in a university study and we guarantee elimination of the dreaded shudder due to water contamination in the intercooler.
Check out our YouTube videos, visit the site or call us for more info. Great thread!
So... an oil separating catch can system isn't a must but it will certainly help prevent oil ingestion, and in the case of the EcoBoost keep moisture out of the CAC intercooler. Our customers love our product and Ford dealers around the country and in Canada are getting on board. Look, you don't need to do anything to your brand new truck, but spending a few hundred bucks on a system like the RX Oil Separating Catch Can System is simply a good investment. Our system was proven to be 98% effective in a university study and we guarantee elimination of the dreaded shudder due to water contamination in the intercooler.
Check out our YouTube videos, visit the site or call us for more info. Great thread!
02-04-2015, 04:23 PM
#22
Thanks PHANTOMBLACKGTO, you are correct. An oil separating system isn't snake oil and the guys that said you don't need a catch can are essentially correct as well. An oil separating catch can system like the ones we manufacture at RX Performance Products are an aftermarket product. Like all aftermarket products, you don't have to have them but in most cases they are an upgrade to OEM. The manufacturers were all forced to go with direct injection by 2008. While it's a step up, getting more performance out of a smaller displacement engine, they no longer wash the valves with fuel. As we know, all engines realize some amount of blow-by and PCV vapors. If these are not properly evacuated, they will coat the valves. This diminishes performance and fuel economy over time.
So... an oil separating catch can system isn't a must but it will certainly help prevent oil ingestion, and in the case of the EcoBoost keep moisture out of the CAC intercooler. Our customers love our product and Ford dealers around the country and in Canada are getting on board. Look, you don't need to do anything to your brand new truck, but spending a few hundred bucks on a system like the RX Oil Separating Catch Can System is simply a good investment. Our system was proven to be 98% effective in a university study and we guarantee elimination of the dreaded shudder due to water contamination in the intercooler.
Check out our YouTube videos, visit the site or call us for more info. Great thread!
So... an oil separating catch can system isn't a must but it will certainly help prevent oil ingestion, and in the case of the EcoBoost keep moisture out of the CAC intercooler. Our customers love our product and Ford dealers around the country and in Canada are getting on board. Look, you don't need to do anything to your brand new truck, but spending a few hundred bucks on a system like the RX Oil Separating Catch Can System is simply a good investment. Our system was proven to be 98% effective in a university study and we guarantee elimination of the dreaded shudder due to water contamination in the intercooler.
Check out our YouTube videos, visit the site or call us for more info. Great thread!
02-04-2015, 04:34 PM
#23
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Ugh. Here we go again with Tracy's BS.....
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02-04-2015, 04:43 PM
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02-04-2015, 04:54 PM
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02-04-2015, 05:02 PM
#26
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I don't think it's the HPFP. Mine was a late 2013, built 9/30/2013. Most of the HPFP issues were earlier 2013's. There are too many out there that have a fuel smell in the oil to all be pump issues. If it was a pump issue, I don't think the can would have solved the issue. I'm pretty sure it's just a DI issue. My Camaro was the same before I put a can on it, and I've seen the same result with it. Stuff in the can has a strong fuel odor, but the oil no longer does.
Personally, with the fuel dilution issues and the longer recommended OCI's, I think this could be contributing to some of the timing chain issues. I still only go 4K OCI's even though I don't smell any fuel in the oil anymore.
Personally, with the fuel dilution issues and the longer recommended OCI's, I think this could be contributing to some of the timing chain issues. I still only go 4K OCI's even though I don't smell any fuel in the oil anymore.
Thanks PHANTOMBLACKGTO, you are correct. An oil separating system isn't snake oil and the guys that said you don't need a catch can are essentially correct as well. An oil separating catch can system like the ones we manufacture at RX Performance Products are an aftermarket product. Like all aftermarket products, you don't have to have them but in most cases they are an upgrade to OEM. The manufacturers were all forced to go with direct injection by 2008. While it's a step up, getting more performance out of a smaller displacement engine, they no longer wash the valves with fuel. As we know, all engines realize some amount of blow-by and PCV vapors. If these are not properly evacuated, they will coat the valves. This diminishes performance and fuel economy over time.
So... an oil separating catch can system isn't a must but it will certainly help prevent oil ingestion, and in the case of the EcoBoost keep moisture out of the CAC intercooler. Our customers love our product and Ford dealers around the country and in Canada are getting on board. Look, you don't need to do anything to your brand new truck, but spending a few hundred bucks on a system like the RX Oil Separating Catch Can System is simply a good investment. Our system was proven to be 98% effective in a university study and we guarantee elimination of the dreaded shudder due to water contamination in the intercooler.
Check out our YouTube videos, visit the site or call us for more info. Great thread!
So... an oil separating catch can system isn't a must but it will certainly help prevent oil ingestion, and in the case of the EcoBoost keep moisture out of the CAC intercooler. Our customers love our product and Ford dealers around the country and in Canada are getting on board. Look, you don't need to do anything to your brand new truck, but spending a few hundred bucks on a system like the RX Oil Separating Catch Can System is simply a good investment. Our system was proven to be 98% effective in a university study and we guarantee elimination of the dreaded shudder due to water contamination in the intercooler.
Check out our YouTube videos, visit the site or call us for more info. Great thread!
So again...how exactly does a catch can on the PVC system keep water out of the CAC system? Just curious...?
02-04-2015, 11:21 PM
#27
Senior Member
It's not necessarily the actual can itself, but rather the fact that you are replumbing the PCV system, particularly the clean side, that could help with this issue. Since the CAC is taking heated compressed air and cooling it, you will naturally get some condensation as it cools. Not sure you can do much about that, and it probably does contribute some to water collecting in the CAC without having a weep hole.
However, in stock configuration, when under boost (and also when the compressor is compressing more air and the CAC is trying to cool it - and then the unwanted associated condensation), the IM becomes pressurized and pushes hot vapors and oil back through the clean side into the turbo inlet pipe, then into the compressor and ultimately into the CAC. One would think this would only create additional condensation. But, I'm sure you will argue that it's not enough to make a difference.
But, don't forget there's also oil pushing back through there and ultimately mixing with the condensation in the CAC creating a nice yellowish crud that might be a little harder to evaporate off than if it was just pure water.
But then again, I'm sure I'm just dreaming all this up and Ford engineers would never design a system that could allow something like this to happen.
That's just my humble opinion on how it might help with the issue of water/oil collecting in the CAC.
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02-04-2015, 11:41 PM
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^ +1
02-05-2015, 10:11 AM
#29
Sorry if this is a dumb question(new here),but other than Emissions issues, is there a reason the PCV can't be dumped to the atmosphere? Will the maf sensor pick up flow rate differences and throw a code? Coming from a Diesel Jeep Liberty, we have huge issues with the PCV dumping oil back into the CAC and ultimately mixing with Soot from the EGR which creates a sludge in the manifold that looks like fresh pavement.
02-05-2015, 10:21 AM
#30
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Sorry if this is a dumb question(new here),but other than Emissions issues, is there a reason the PCV can't be dumped to the atmosphere? Will the maf sensor pick up flow rate differences and throw a code? Coming from a Diesel Jeep Liberty, we have huge issues with the PCV dumping oil back into the CAC and ultimately mixing with Soot from the EGR which creates a sludge in the manifold that looks like fresh pavement.
http://www.underhoodservice.com/tech...-gets-a-boost/
Ford does monitor PCV flow and will throw a code if things are not right. Scroll down to Sensing Problems to see what I mean.
Contrary to some marketing drivel, the Ecoboost's PCV system is actually well thought out and works very well.