NEED HELP: Bad engine knock after CAI install
#21
CAI's can and DO cause some engines to lean out to the point where they start to ping, it's almost guaranteed on regular fuels. The old idea of installing a CAI/short ram to improve fuel economy was basically an easy and safe way to change the A/F ratio but modern engines are designed to run already slightly lean. Installing intakes on newer cars now is pretty much only going to improve throttle response, sound louder/throatier (I miss my Mazdas) and depending on driving habits, will probably end up decreasing fuel economy rather than increasing it.
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Your problem is probably like white08gt said, you may have a poor fitting coupler or clamp somewhere, a pinhole leak, loose sensor fitting, etc. and are getting a small amount of unmetered air (although you will usually have erratic throttle response and hesitations with this instead of just pinging.)
Did you reset the computer and relearn the fuel trims after installing the intake?
If you have full power or more and the pinging sound is very light it usually is not a problem and will not be detrimental to the engine. It could be that you have just removed the resonance piping from the intake so you are hearing "directly into the engine." Mid-grade should reduce or stop it.
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They sound nice.
Your problem is probably like white08gt said, you may have a poor fitting coupler or clamp somewhere, a pinhole leak, loose sensor fitting, etc. and are getting a small amount of unmetered air (although you will usually have erratic throttle response and hesitations with this instead of just pinging.)
Did you reset the computer and relearn the fuel trims after installing the intake?
If you have full power or more and the pinging sound is very light it usually is not a problem and will not be detrimental to the engine. It could be that you have just removed the resonance piping from the intake so you are hearing "directly into the engine." Mid-grade should reduce or stop it.
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#22
Update: I ran it for three days now driving it as easy as possible. There is no more knock at all. I contacted airaid tech support and they told me that sometimes it takes a few days for the system to fully adjust. I ordered the dry filter and they sent me an oiled one to try out to see if it helps. The oiled filter has not arrived yet but the knocking has gone away.
Do oiled filters cause problems on the newer model trucks? I had one on my 02 but I didn't like how the "recharge kit" costs as much as the filter.
Do oiled filters cause problems on the newer model trucks? I had one on my 02 but I didn't like how the "recharge kit" costs as much as the filter.
#23
Now thinking about a CAI, technically they shouldn't lean a vehicle out any more than it would normally as the air should all still be running past the maf sensor. And thus the PCM will adjust for it, unless you have an air leak after the maf. But hey that's just me
#25
Member
i agree. especially when the vehicle uses oxygen sensors as another input for controlling fuel flow (and the engine contains knock sensors to back off timing). maybe someone can clarify how mods to the runner can lean out an engine to knock (assuming nothing is broken).
#27
You can try to let it dry before installing it or try to shake the rest out. If your maf gets it on you'll need an actual sensor/maf cleaner so it doesn't leave a residue on the heating elements
#28
Senior Member
I own a 2008 mustang gt, they sell CAI for our cars with and without a tune. without tuning your gains are minimal and even the ones that say they need no tune usually end up bringing in a check engine light and lean code. the MAF reads air flow before TB and needs tuning for increased volume with the normally bigger air tube. the new 5.0 has same type computer that reads fuel trim levels and drive by wire. the MAF is sensitive to changes, get a sct tuner or diablo and get a custom tune. this is what the mustang crowd does to add 15-25hp with a CAI and a tune. I recall seeing shops that specialize in tuning the F150 5.0, the canned tunes that come stock on the tuners leave a lot of hp on the table. with a tune they can adjust and firm shift points on tranny and take the lag out of the accel. pedal, adjust for larger tires to correct speedo.
#29
I own a 2008 mustang gt, they sell CAI for our cars with and without a tune. without tuning your gains are minimal and even the ones that say they need no tune usually end up bringing in a check engine light and lean code. the MAF reads air flow before TB and needs tuning for increased volume with the normally bigger air tube. the new 5.0 has same type computer that reads fuel trim levels and drive by wire. the MAF is sensitive to changes, get a sct tuner or diablo and get a custom tune. this is what the mustang crowd does to add 15-25hp with a CAI and a tune. I recall seeing shops that specialize in tuning the F150 5.0, the canned tunes that come stock on the tuners leave a lot of hp on the table. with a tune they can adjust and firm shift points on tranny and take the lag out of the accel. pedal, adjust for larger tires to correct speedo.
That being said, mine has sounded like it knocks at low rpm since I added the CAI. It coincided with the torque increase. 50 000kms later, it still does it. Never got worse or better, PCM reset or otherwise.
I have a Rousch CAI, which is practically endorsed by Ford. Good gains, sounds wicked, and my local dealer sells them.
It's time for some folks to "get with the times". The 3.7 is not same as the old dinosaur that many cite as a comparison!
#30
Senior Member
If its a ping [spark knock] your running lean but if its a mechanical knock you might have sucked a small part [nut/bolt] into the engine while it was open. Put the old system back and see if it corrects it