Long awaited Pickuptrucks article
04-17-2011, 01:09 AM
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Controlled tests? You mean tests almost a month apart using completely different specifications of truck are considered controlled now? Also, I fail to see how a trip from California to Colorado through AZ and NV would be in the least bit applicable to towing in the Midwest. PUTC will prove to me that they aren't FOS when they actually do the eddy current dyno test Mike Levine promised on this board, although I suspect they will still be unable to acquire trucks with the same specifications.
I call a spade a spade and in addition to being a concern troll (morphing to a blatant troll), you lack the ability to form a simple argument (or type). I won't ignore you like you pleaded me to when I first exposed your BS, but I will continue to prove your arguments unbecoming of a bipedal primate.
I call a spade a spade and in addition to being a concern troll (morphing to a blatant troll), you lack the ability to form a simple argument (or type). I won't ignore you like you pleaded me to when I first exposed your BS, but I will continue to prove your arguments unbecoming of a bipedal primate.
04-17-2011, 01:16 AM
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One thing I can say as the owner of a 4.9L powered F-150:
Its nice that Ford once again has a 6cyl that can keep up with the v8s, tow just as much, and get much better fuel economy. Its also great they are putting the 6cyls back in the high end trucks just like the 4.9L in my XLT Lariat 4x4.
Its nice that Ford once again has a 6cyl that can keep up with the v8s, tow just as much, and get much better fuel economy. Its also great they are putting the 6cyls back in the high end trucks just like the 4.9L in my XLT Lariat 4x4.
04-17-2011, 01:17 AM
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I hope everyone understands what I'm about to say.
No matter what engine you have, it will not be more efficient than it's competition if it uses it's extra power advantage to pull more, accelerate faster, cruise faster, climb stronger etc.
The only way to do a fuel economy test is to load the 2 trucks equal and drive them together, neck and neck.
Absolutely useless to compare mileage of a truck climbing a 10000 ft pass doing 20 mph faster than the other.
Slow the faster truck down to the speeds of the slower truck and watch the economy increase for the more powerful truck because now it's working at 80% capacity, unlike testing out what will she do driving.
Anyone driving in groups or convoys understand this.
No matter what engine you have, it will not be more efficient than it's competition if it uses it's extra power advantage to pull more, accelerate faster, cruise faster, climb stronger etc.
The only way to do a fuel economy test is to load the 2 trucks equal and drive them together, neck and neck.
Absolutely useless to compare mileage of a truck climbing a 10000 ft pass doing 20 mph faster than the other.
Slow the faster truck down to the speeds of the slower truck and watch the economy increase for the more powerful truck because now it's working at 80% capacity, unlike testing out what will she do driving.
Anyone driving in groups or convoys understand this.
04-17-2011, 01:17 AM
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From the article:
There aren't any trucks that are going to excel in those conditions. It might have helped if they had a truck with the available max tow package, which I would expect a person to spring for if they are going to pull 9000 pounds.
Of course, we also wondered why we averaged only 7.2 mpg towing in the EcoBoost truck. We quickly figured out – as you can see in our detailed fuel economy chart – that the mountain climbs, windy conditions and consistent cruising speeds above 65 mph robbed us of the efficiency we were expecting from the EcoBoost engine.
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04-17-2011, 05:18 AM
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Actually if you look at the '11 150 and then look at the 08 or so and previous f250 and similar 3/4 tons you will see that they have all grown. The 150 is the same size and weight with the similar characteristics of a 3/4 ton from just a few years ago. Should 3/4 tons stop towing the 17K lbs some of them are rated to just because that is strictly 1ton averages from just a few years ago. Trucks today are much different than a few years ago
04-17-2011, 07:34 AM
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The only thing i will add to this discussion is that the testing conditions are not the same. While locations are, conditions are not. They should have run both a 5.0 and 3.5Eco together.
For all we know the 5.0 had a tailwind the whole time, who knows. Just saying.
Either way, i would still buy my eco all over again, i love the truck all around.
For all we know the 5.0 had a tailwind the whole time, who knows. Just saying.
Either way, i would still buy my eco all over again, i love the truck all around.
04-17-2011, 08:12 AM
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Having driven that section of highway with loaded Semi's dozens of times I have never encountered a west to east wind. Do a google search of Santa Anna winds and you will see why the wind blows the way it does in that area.
04-17-2011, 09:23 AM
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To quote Happy Gillmore: " Yellow jacket, green jacket... Who gives a ****?!?"
I bought the engine/truck package I wanted that would serve me best. I would hope anybody buying a new truck would do the same... I don't know if one engine is better than the other, and honestly don't care. I'm not getting rid of this truck for a long time....
I bought the engine/truck package I wanted that would serve me best. I would hope anybody buying a new truck would do the same... I don't know if one engine is better than the other, and honestly don't care. I'm not getting rid of this truck for a long time....
04-17-2011, 09:41 AM
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good pick up loki.
the wind is a major factor when towing that "sail" like trailer
It definitely not a comparison article between the 5.0 and the 3.5. It was a comparison article between the EB loaded and unloaded. But, I think it was difficult for Mike Levine to not make a comparison to the 5.0 after the really poor numbers from the ecoboost, even given the pulling. (it was 2100 miles, not just up mountains).
Also Id like to point out, since I did open up the can of worms of comparison (this is the proper forum for such comparisons) between the 5.0 and the EB in the original post. The 5.0 tested was a 4x4 XLT and the EB was fx2, anyone know the weight difference between 5.0 4x4 and 3.5EB trucks?. I searched all over google but havent found actual weights
edit: nm. I found it in the articles. 5780 for 5.0 and 5500 for the EB.
the wind is a major factor when towing that "sail" like trailer
It definitely not a comparison article between the 5.0 and the 3.5. It was a comparison article between the EB loaded and unloaded. But, I think it was difficult for Mike Levine to not make a comparison to the 5.0 after the really poor numbers from the ecoboost, even given the pulling. (it was 2100 miles, not just up mountains).
Also Id like to point out, since I did open up the can of worms of comparison (this is the proper forum for such comparisons) between the 5.0 and the EB in the original post. The 5.0 tested was a 4x4 XLT and the EB was fx2, anyone know the weight difference between 5.0 4x4 and 3.5EB trucks?. I searched all over google but havent found actual weights
edit: nm. I found it in the articles. 5780 for 5.0 and 5500 for the EB.
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