Ghost's Eco Thread Closed???
07-21-2013, 03:09 PM
#231
LOL cease and desist what? I have done nothing wrong! Please quote me where I have made personal attacks, or foul language, or done anything out of line. If you are referring to disagreeing with the mods, or stating Ford is wrong in their handling of Ghost's problem, then yes I have. In fact you pointed out a good point. That the mods keep saying its a Ford vs Ghost thing. No its NOT! Its a Ford crappy customer service issue that everyone who owns a Ford, or is thinking of buying a Ford should be concerned about and freely voice their opinion.
I see 99% of the people across the various sites this story has spread to standing with Ghost against Ford on this issue. I see a handful of people on only this board wanting everyone to shut up and go away and let Ford handle this with Ghost. Ford had plenty opportunity to take care of this without all the bad press after the first or second engine, hell even the third. At this point, in my opinion and the vast majority or everyone elses they deserve a fire being lit under them to do something more than saying they have "top men working on it".
Ford has been my vehicle brand of choice for many many years, but at least in this instance, they have dropped the ball.
i don't care to hear it from you lol
07-21-2013, 04:14 PM
#232
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I'm new here. Found this thread on a Ram forum. Not here to bash Ford or the Ecoboost engine. I looked hard at F150's before buying my Ram. Just felt like sharing some thoughts.
1. Ghost should have been given a loaner/rental vehicle for the entire time the truck was in the shop, even the first time. Things break, but when an engine blows up, that's a pretty big deal resulting in a lot of down time for the vehicle. That's when a rental should absolutely be supplied until the owners vehicle is repaired and returned to them. There's absolutely no excuse for him to still not be given a free rental.
2. After 3 blown engines, that truck has no resale value. Yes, he could trade it in at a dealership, but he cannot sell that vehicle privately. Nobody in their right mind will touch that truck. It's absolutely unfair to him to have to take back a truck that can only be traded in and can't be sold.
3. Lenn, this is your site and your rules, but I think posting what you did is unfair to Ghost. You came out and basically said he is hiding things. You did so without being able to verify in any way whether he is in fact hiding/not disclosing anything. You took the word of a Ford rep over Ghost. Ghost is insisting he hasn't been offered much of anything, a Ford rep is saying otherwise, and it appears you chose to believe the Ford rep. I personally think as owner of this site that you should have stayed neutral unless you were able to verify that Ghost was in fact not disclosing something important. A discount on a rental car at this point is a joke!
4. As I said, I like Ford and almost bought an F150, but I'm starting to worry about the Ecoboost engine. There seems to be a lot of reports of it losing power. Could be an over blown issue, only time will tell I guess, but right now I'm pretty skeptical of this engine. I may end up being wrong and if so, great, that means a bunch of current owners of that engine won't have anything to worry about. There does seem to be an unusually large number of issues with it that are just starting to come to light. A large number of F150 owners I know are talking about it too. The ones with the EB engine are nervous, and the ones without it are thankful they don't have it.
5. Ford dropped the ball big time! They could have and should have handled this better from day 1. In fact, they're still making mistakes by not either giving him an equivalent truck from one of their lots, or buying his truck back for fair market value. Forget a new truck, just give him something of similar value or buy the damn thing back from him and figure out what went wrong.
6. So called "mechanics" at dealerships these days are a notch above trained monkeys. This applies to all the brands. They can replace parts by following manuals supplied by head office, and they can diagnose most issues by calling their support line available to them, but as for thinking outside the box to resolve a difficult issue, forget it, those days are gone.
1. Ghost should have been given a loaner/rental vehicle for the entire time the truck was in the shop, even the first time. Things break, but when an engine blows up, that's a pretty big deal resulting in a lot of down time for the vehicle. That's when a rental should absolutely be supplied until the owners vehicle is repaired and returned to them. There's absolutely no excuse for him to still not be given a free rental.
2. After 3 blown engines, that truck has no resale value. Yes, he could trade it in at a dealership, but he cannot sell that vehicle privately. Nobody in their right mind will touch that truck. It's absolutely unfair to him to have to take back a truck that can only be traded in and can't be sold.
3. Lenn, this is your site and your rules, but I think posting what you did is unfair to Ghost. You came out and basically said he is hiding things. You did so without being able to verify in any way whether he is in fact hiding/not disclosing anything. You took the word of a Ford rep over Ghost. Ghost is insisting he hasn't been offered much of anything, a Ford rep is saying otherwise, and it appears you chose to believe the Ford rep. I personally think as owner of this site that you should have stayed neutral unless you were able to verify that Ghost was in fact not disclosing something important. A discount on a rental car at this point is a joke!
4. As I said, I like Ford and almost bought an F150, but I'm starting to worry about the Ecoboost engine. There seems to be a lot of reports of it losing power. Could be an over blown issue, only time will tell I guess, but right now I'm pretty skeptical of this engine. I may end up being wrong and if so, great, that means a bunch of current owners of that engine won't have anything to worry about. There does seem to be an unusually large number of issues with it that are just starting to come to light. A large number of F150 owners I know are talking about it too. The ones with the EB engine are nervous, and the ones without it are thankful they don't have it.
5. Ford dropped the ball big time! They could have and should have handled this better from day 1. In fact, they're still making mistakes by not either giving him an equivalent truck from one of their lots, or buying his truck back for fair market value. Forget a new truck, just give him something of similar value or buy the damn thing back from him and figure out what went wrong.
6. So called "mechanics" at dealerships these days are a notch above trained monkeys. This applies to all the brands. They can replace parts by following manuals supplied by head office, and they can diagnose most issues by calling their support line available to them, but as for thinking outside the box to resolve a difficult issue, forget it, those days are gone.
07-21-2013, 05:01 PM
#233
I'm new here. Found this thread on a Ram forum. Not here to bash Ford or the Ecoboost engine. I looked hard at F150's before buying my Ram. Just felt like sharing some thoughts.
1. Ghost should have been given a loaner/rental vehicle for the entire time the truck was in the shop, even the first time. Things break, but when an engine blows up, that's a pretty big deal resulting in a lot of down time for the vehicle. That's when a rental should absolutely be supplied until the owners vehicle is repaired and returned to them. There's absolutely no excuse for him to still not be given a free rental.
2. After 3 blown engines, that truck has no resale value. Yes, he could trade it in at a dealership, but he cannot sell that vehicle privately. Nobody in their right mind will touch that truck. It's absolutely unfair to him to have to take back a truck that can only be traded in and can't be sold.
3. Lenn, this is your site and your rules, but I think posting what you did is unfair to Ghost. You came out and basically said he is hiding things. You did so without being able to verify in any way whether he is in fact hiding/not disclosing anything. You took the word of a Ford rep over Ghost. Ghost is insisting he hasn't been offered much of anything, a Ford rep is saying otherwise, and it appears you chose to believe the Ford rep. I personally think as owner of this site that you should have stayed neutral unless you were able to verify that Ghost was in fact not disclosing something important. A discount on a rental car at this point is a joke!
4. As I said, I like Ford and almost bought an F150, but I'm starting to worry about the Ecoboost engine. There seems to be a lot of reports of it losing power. Could be an over blown issue, only time will tell I guess, but right now I'm pretty skeptical of this engine. I may end up being wrong and if so, great, that means a bunch of current owners of that engine won't have anything to worry about. There does seem to be an unusually large number of issues with it that are just starting to come to light. A large number of F150 owners I know are talking about it too. The ones with the EB engine are nervous, and the ones without it are thankful they don't have it.
5. Ford dropped the ball big time! They could have and should have handled this better from day 1. In fact, they're still making mistakes by not either giving him an equivalent truck from one of their lots, or buying his truck back for fair market value. Forget a new truck, just give him something of similar value or buy the damn thing back from him and figure out what went wrong.
6. So called "mechanics" at dealerships these days are a notch above trained monkeys. This applies to all the brands. They can replace parts by following manuals supplied by head office, and they can diagnose most issues by calling their support line available to them, but as for thinking outside the box to resolve a difficult issue, forget it, those days are gone.
1. Ghost should have been given a loaner/rental vehicle for the entire time the truck was in the shop, even the first time. Things break, but when an engine blows up, that's a pretty big deal resulting in a lot of down time for the vehicle. That's when a rental should absolutely be supplied until the owners vehicle is repaired and returned to them. There's absolutely no excuse for him to still not be given a free rental.
2. After 3 blown engines, that truck has no resale value. Yes, he could trade it in at a dealership, but he cannot sell that vehicle privately. Nobody in their right mind will touch that truck. It's absolutely unfair to him to have to take back a truck that can only be traded in and can't be sold.
3. Lenn, this is your site and your rules, but I think posting what you did is unfair to Ghost. You came out and basically said he is hiding things. You did so without being able to verify in any way whether he is in fact hiding/not disclosing anything. You took the word of a Ford rep over Ghost. Ghost is insisting he hasn't been offered much of anything, a Ford rep is saying otherwise, and it appears you chose to believe the Ford rep. I personally think as owner of this site that you should have stayed neutral unless you were able to verify that Ghost was in fact not disclosing something important. A discount on a rental car at this point is a joke!
4. As I said, I like Ford and almost bought an F150, but I'm starting to worry about the Ecoboost engine. There seems to be a lot of reports of it losing power. Could be an over blown issue, only time will tell I guess, but right now I'm pretty skeptical of this engine. I may end up being wrong and if so, great, that means a bunch of current owners of that engine won't have anything to worry about. There does seem to be an unusually large number of issues with it that are just starting to come to light. A large number of F150 owners I know are talking about it too. The ones with the EB engine are nervous, and the ones without it are thankful they don't have it.
5. Ford dropped the ball big time! They could have and should have handled this better from day 1. In fact, they're still making mistakes by not either giving him an equivalent truck from one of their lots, or buying his truck back for fair market value. Forget a new truck, just give him something of similar value or buy the damn thing back from him and figure out what went wrong.
6. So called "mechanics" at dealerships these days are a notch above trained monkeys. This applies to all the brands. They can replace parts by following manuals supplied by head office, and they can diagnose most issues by calling their support line available to them, but as for thinking outside the box to resolve a difficult issue, forget it, those days are gone.
I agree with #6. I used to work at a ford dealership 15 years ago, same thing... as #6.
anyways, bout the only piece of old school diagnosing done nowadays, is listening to bad cam phasers on youtube and reading the coments the listeners post. even joe blow mr.shadetree mechanic is a tech when it comes to cam phasers.
I shouldn't laugh, I've got a 2010 5.4L since brand new. everyone kept telling me that I should have gone with a eco for this reason or that reason. personally, if I was to get a new truck, it'd have the 5.0L. cause I like old school tech.
07-21-2013, 05:54 PM
#237
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There isn't much about the coyote 5.0 that is old school. Sorry to break it to you....
07-21-2013, 06:18 PM
#239
Inebriated 4 ur safety
