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Which engine 5.0 or 3.5 EB would you recommend?
06-27-2011, 03:07 PM
#21
Senior Member
OP, just go with what this guy says, he drives trains, he must know what he's talking about.
mr mike, from what I've read, I certainly wouldnt classify it as 'most others' doing 'well' (unless 'well' is defined as <1 mpg better than the 5.0) or as '1 or 2 guys complaining about poor mileage' not to
mr mike, from what I've read, I certainly wouldnt classify it as 'most others' doing 'well' (unless 'well' is defined as <1 mpg better than the 5.0) or as '1 or 2 guys complaining about poor mileage' not to
1 mpg better than the 5.0 is exactly what they are supposed to do. Ford never claimed any different.
Key words such as "likely" distinguish between fact and speculation. Read my posts closely and you might pick up on that.
06-27-2011, 03:27 PM
#22
Senior Member
you're right, I apologize for that, it wasnt meant as a personal attack, it was meant as a joke as a lot of people associate engineers with drivers of trains and trains haul stuff pretty efficiently.
as for 1mpg better, yeah, its better but minimally. I wouldnt base a purchase decision solely on 1 mpg difference (but thats me).
as for 1mpg better, yeah, its better but minimally. I wouldnt base a purchase decision solely on 1 mpg difference (but thats me).
06-27-2011, 03:46 PM
#23
Retired and loving it!
Hmm even though I picked the 5.0 I think the eco would be better for the OP. If he was towing more then I'd choose the 5.0. The eco gets worse mpg than the 5.0 when towing even though it can tow more it'll be under a lot of stress and heat. If he was towing a lot then I'd say 6.2.
As far as being able to mod it, and the parts being available to do so, and having a V8 sound under the hood, and an all around less complicated, easier to repair engine....that's why I recommended the 5.0.........different ways of looking at the same use for the truck, right?
06-27-2011, 03:46 PM
#24
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Originally Posted by engineermike
Mr. ford_honda stated that more mods "will be" available for the 5.0. This is not fact and there are no facts, just speculation, on what the distant future holds.
Presently, you can get an exhaust, tuner, and CAI for the 5.0. Presently, you can get an exhaust, boost controllers, and high flow air filters for the EB.
Speculation is that people will figure out what Mustang 5.0 engine parts can be installed in the truck. Speculation (and some information from vendors) is that tuners, piping upgrades, bigger turbo's, Methanol kits, intercoolers, etc, etc, etc, will be available for the EB. Having some years experience with turbochargers makes me see a world of possiblities on this engine. Not to mention, the EB might benefit from some parts off the 3.7 NA truck motor.
Coincidentally, I did some calling last week and was told there will be something released in about a week and a half. Again, do your own calling around and see what turns up. Are you really betting on no one being able to crack the ECM and offer tunes for the EB?
I guess speculation is only ok if it talks about the EB. Let's speculate that the 5.0 could be turbocharged. They make kits for the 5.0 mustang so it's not unreasonable that some entertaining soul could mod that on.
Let's be friends, I speculate the EB will lead peace in the middle east.
Last edited by Bgoptmst; 06-27-2011 at 03:55 PM.
06-27-2011, 04:13 PM
#25
Senior Member
Absolutely. And a turbocharged 5.0 would be SWEET! Heck, the last three turbochargers I installed were using parts I fabricated, and two of them were on v-8's! Anything can be done, but I assumed we were talking about over-the-counter bolt-on stuff. If my plans were to do heavy mods and wind up with FI on a v-8 shooting for 700 hp, then the 5.0 would have been my 1st choice.
06-27-2011, 04:17 PM
#26
Originally Posted by luke87f150
i have had a couple of f150's with the 5.0 motor. they are great running trucks and very tough motors and would have plenty of power for what you would be doing. i would go with the 302, plus it is easier to do mods on it
I say you should drive both and see what you like. I am getting good mileage and the initial cost was worth it for me to feel the torque and hear the whistle.
06-27-2011, 04:19 PM
#27
Mr. ford_honda stated that more mods "will be" available for the 5.0. This is not fact and there are no facts, just speculation, on what the distant future holds.
Presently, you can get an exhaust, tuner, and CAI for the 5.0. Presently, you can get an exhaust, boost controllers, and high flow air filters for the EB.
Speculation is that people will figure out what Mustang 5.0 engine parts can be installed in the truck. Speculation (and some information from vendors) is that tuners, piping upgrades, bigger turbo's, Methanol kits, intercoolers, etc, etc, etc, will be available for the EB. Having some years experience with turbochargers makes me see a world of possiblities on this engine. Not to mention, the EB might benefit from some parts off the 3.7 NA truck motor.
Coincidentally, I did some calling last week and was told there will be something released in about a week and a half. Again, do your own calling around and see what turns up. Are you really betting on no one being able to crack the ECM and offer tunes for the EB?
Presently, you can get an exhaust, tuner, and CAI for the 5.0. Presently, you can get an exhaust, boost controllers, and high flow air filters for the EB.
Speculation is that people will figure out what Mustang 5.0 engine parts can be installed in the truck. Speculation (and some information from vendors) is that tuners, piping upgrades, bigger turbo's, Methanol kits, intercoolers, etc, etc, etc, will be available for the EB. Having some years experience with turbochargers makes me see a world of possiblities on this engine. Not to mention, the EB might benefit from some parts off the 3.7 NA truck motor.
Coincidentally, I did some calling last week and was told there will be something released in about a week and a half. Again, do your own calling around and see what turns up. Are you really betting on no one being able to crack the ECM and offer tunes for the EB?
i just dont see why you would spend the extra money on maintenence (two turbos that could have problems) the decreased oil change interval that come with FI engines and the initial extra cost of ordering the EB motor all for one MPG. in the end theres two more high cost components that dont have a life time warranty.
lets do a cost comparison on both motors and see what would be cheaper to get a say 170 extra hp to the ground. i say 170 b.c thats what whipple did with a 5.4 SC kit
Last edited by ford_honda; 06-27-2011 at 04:26 PM.
06-27-2011, 04:55 PM
#28
Senior Member
I thought that the OP said that he was only going to tow a couple of times a year. I guess there's two ways of looking at it. The EB may get marginally better MPG when not towing, so i can see why you would recommend it.
As far as being able to mod it, and the parts being available to do so, and having a V8 sound under the hood, and an all around less complicated, easier to repair engine....that's why I recommended the 5.0.........different ways of looking at the same use for the truck, right?
As far as being able to mod it, and the parts being available to do so, and having a V8 sound under the hood, and an all around less complicated, easier to repair engine....that's why I recommended the 5.0.........different ways of looking at the same use for the truck, right?
Very true.
06-27-2011, 05:04 PM
#30
Senior Member
i just dont see why you would spend the extra money on maintenence (two turbos that could have problems) the decreased oil change interval that come with FI engines and the initial extra cost of ordering the EB motor all for one MPG.
lets do a cost comparison on both motors and see what would be cheaper to get a say 170 extra hp to the ground. i say 170 b.c thats what whipple did with a 5.4 SC kit
lets do a cost comparison on both motors and see what would be cheaper to get a say 170 extra hp to the ground. i say 170 b.c thats what whipple did with a 5.4 SC kit
As for oil change interval, for most people the interval on the EB is turning out to be in the 8000+ mile range.
For the cost, on my truck it was about $700 extra. The rate of return on the price adder is about 6%, assuming no change in resale value. That's not bad, but the gain in torque is why most will get the EB.
On to the mod'ing. . . I suppose it depends on what your goals are. If you're shooting for up to 400 rwhp, I believe the EB will get there with minor mods and turn out to be a better option. But, if you're shooting for higher numbers, then you're going to be into super/turbocharging even with the 5.0, and so the larger displacement will win out.
Last edited by engineermike; 06-27-2011 at 05:10 PM.