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Old 05-27-2013, 07:06 PM
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Originally Posted by VoiceOfReason
It's not going to show up. The fuel is still being burnt at stoich (14.5/14.64:1), it's just the fuel charge is in a small concentrated pocket around the spark plug, rather than the entire cylinder being homogenously charged at that air/fuel ratio.
So, are you saying that the wideband sensor in the exhaust system is only measuring the o2 of the portion of gas combusted at stoichiometric, and not the composite o2 of all the gas leaving the cylinder? I think not. If it were really a lean-burn engine, then all that excess air in the cylinder would be pumped into the exhaust, and show up lean on the wideband.

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IThe air/fuel mixture still needs to burn in that narrow optimal range (remember liquid gasoline doesn't burn, it is the vapours.) The computer is always going to show you stoich A/F ratio, it is NOT going to show you the lean burn mode because that's a complicated equation of throttle position, load, injector durations and timing, cylinder head and piston head shaping/engineering, intake plenum design, etc. It's not something you bolt on and have a statistical display of without serious complex and proprietary engineering specific to the engine platform (which Ford/other manufacturers engineers most certainly have, and are closely guarded secrets.)
Again, Im familiar with how lean-burn works. But the wideband in the exhaust stream would pick it up. There is a reason that lean-burn engines must run a wideband.

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Old 05-27-2013, 07:08 PM
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Originally Posted by brettd4x4
14.5 commanded or measured? I watch the measured ratio and it bounces around from 14.3 to 13.9. Commanded ratio slightly higher
Measured, and mine does like yours save WOT and DFCO.
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Originally Posted by engineermike

Measured, and mine does like yours save WOT and DFCO.
My 2007 roushcharged f150 had an AEM wideband digital gauge, at idle and at cruise on the highway mine stayed the same as that usually around 14.3-14.7, I know this isn't the same truck but just for reference
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I had luck getting rid of most of the miss in my truck by buying new OEM plugs and gapping to .032. But the truck still seems to lack a lot of power and still seems to hesitate sometimes. I want to put in a different plug and gap at .030. Would people recommend the '13 plugs? Something else? Anybody have experience with the Pulstar's? They are like $15 a pop though In conjunction with wanting to replace the plugs again, I have been running 92/93 octane and will be doing so for a month or two after putting plugs in to see how the truck performs.
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New plugs and premium gas has my truck running a bit better. Still lacking on power though.
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Originally Posted by maplelakeduckslayer
I had luck getting rid of most of the miss in my truck by buying new OEM plugs and gapping to .032. But the truck still seems to lack a lot of power and still seems to hesitate sometimes. I want to put in a different plug and gap at .030. Would people recommend the '13 plugs? Something else? Anybody have experience with the Pulstar's? They are like $15 a pop though In conjunction with wanting to replace the plugs again, I have been running 92/93 octane and will be doing so for a month or two after putting plugs in to see how the truck performs.
Pulstars are a gimmick and do not belong in ANY automotive engine. Same with SplitFires, the multi-electrode Bosch plugs (though there are legit multi electrode plugs out there for specific applications, such as aircraft), and those plugs with the square ended electrodes.

I've only loosely been following this thread, so is there a major difference in the 2013 plugs?
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Originally Posted by byoungblood
I've only loosely been following this thread, so is there a major difference in the 2013 plugs?
Ford changed from SP528 to SP534 for the 2013, but I don't know the difference.
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You may want to look up some of the issues with the pulstars. In the early run of them people had issues with them breaking off and being extremely difficult to remove them...I personally wouldn't consider them as an option.

EDIT: The newer plugs might be better made, dunno.

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Originally Posted by maplelakeduckslayer
I had luck getting rid of most of the miss in my truck by buying new OEM plugs and gapping to .032. But the truck still seems to lack a lot of power and still seems to hesitate sometimes. I want to put in a different plug and gap at .030. Would people recommend the '13 plugs? Something else? Anybody have experience with the Pulstar's? They are like $15 a pop though In conjunction with wanting to replace the plugs again, I have been running 92/93 octane and will be doing so for a month or two after putting plugs in to see how the truck performs.
NGK and Denso are pretty the best plugs you're going to get without getting into proprietary designs and ridiculous costs.

If you have had all of the TSB's performed (ie: new CAC, latest calibrations, no CEL's, ignition system checked), get yourself a set of fresh plugs, preferably factory gapped at .035"- .040" (.9 - 1.0mm) and install them. VERY SPARINGLY and carefully apply antiseize to the threads nearest the ground strap, and wipe excess off with paper towel (there should be a very minimal amount within the threads, and only for 3 or 4 threads deep.)

Remember the installation torque is very light. If you have a small enough torque wrench, use it. Set it to 10 lbs /ft, install the plugs. The plugs should be snug but not tight so you may have to tweak the wrench after it clicks.

Very small amount of dielectric grease inside the boots.
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Originally Posted by VoiceOfReason
...get yourself a set of fresh plugs, preferably factory gapped at .035"- .040" (.9 - 1.0mm) and install them.
Wasn't this was the original Ford spec from 2011? I believe they have revised this to .030"- .033". It has been posted in this thread (and other threads) several times that people were getting better results with the narrower gaps.

EDIT: here is a quote from earlier in this thread...
Originally Posted by Al Kohalic
The owners manual for the 2011-12 F-150s says .033-.037, and the new 2013 manual says .030-.033.

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