Dyno test results from PUTC thread.
04-26-2011, 08:54 AM
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I think GRWolverineFan did a great job pointing out the holes in his breakdown of the assumptions.
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04-26-2011, 08:58 AM
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I edited my post to respond to each point of his. No one would be busting 5.0 sycophants ***** if they weren't such asshats trumpeting the earlier results or filling so many of the previous EB threads with negativity and false flag arguments. You rarely/never see me or other EB owners trolling 5.0 threads, but for some reason a few of the 5.0 owners have a serious napoleon complex and have to inundate our threads with their asinine opinions. I still love the 5.0 as an engine and frankly if my EB turns out to be an unreliable POS (I purchased the EB knowing this would be a possibility, it is the inherent risk of being an early adopter of any technology) I will be purchasing a 5.0, I just don't like the garbage Loki and his ilk were propagating earlier.
04-26-2011, 09:02 AM
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04-26-2011, 09:05 AM
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I completely agree with your post; I am definitely not trying to belittle some individuals' actions on this forum, I am just saying at least make the forum more "read friendly" and try to debunk or argue his discussion with factual information (trust me, I can take my own advice!). I purchased an FX4 with the 5.0, but I think Fords engines are all great. Frankly, I don't care which one is better, I bought the 5.0 for personal reasons!
04-26-2011, 09:08 AM
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04-26-2011, 09:12 AM
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I just want to see a 100% fair comparison from a reputable source and frankly if it shows the EB to be the loser I will accept it. From the moment I started reading PUT.com's material on the new Ford engines I knew they were picking their horse and riding with it. The explaining away the results Levine does in this latest article just proves it more to me. Unfortunately, it is unlikely that a legitimate magazine or website will care about the competition between the Ford engines enough to do a test like this (my suggestion, 2 4x4 5.5' bed SCrew Platinums with the 3.73 LS rear end and the regular tow package).
04-26-2011, 09:16 AM
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04-26-2011, 09:41 AM
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you EB guys cant really believe that there isnt something else going on here can you? Yes, one possibility is that Ford's advertised numbers are high for the 5.0. Then again, it could be something else. Keep in mind, Ford had a guy there....Ford has a vested interest in making the EB look as good as possible. SIX HOURS spent calibrating to the EB and then the 5.0 ran on the same calibrations? Wow, if it had been the other way around you guys would be screaming foul.
I guess the theory that the EB is rated to tow higher because it produces more low end torque just got blown out of the water. If the litmus test is getting the load rolling, the 5.0 clearly will do that with greater ease (and once it's rolling, it appears that the EB clearly takes over).
I've said it before and I'll say it again, my next truck probably will be an EB but right now, it just wasnt for me. I think both are really great engines, I defend the 5.0 mostly because I get sick of the EB owners attitude that the EB is the be-all end all of engines.
I guess the theory that the EB is rated to tow higher because it produces more low end torque just got blown out of the water. If the litmus test is getting the load rolling, the 5.0 clearly will do that with greater ease (and once it's rolling, it appears that the EB clearly takes over).
I've said it before and I'll say it again, my next truck probably will be an EB but right now, it just wasnt for me. I think both are really great engines, I defend the 5.0 mostly because I get sick of the EB owners attitude that the EB is the be-all end all of engines.
04-26-2011, 09:47 AM
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Aside from the EB vs. 5.0 pissing match the EB dyno shows me why Ford is watching for EB modifications very closely. IMHO this engine has very little headroom to be modified safely using the stock turbos. The fact that the torque peaks that fast and then drops off so quickly tells me at the EB turbos are already at the edge of their performance envelope and modifications aren't likely to gain much power without sacrificing reliability.
04-26-2011, 09:50 AM
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you EB guys cant really believe that there isnt something else going on here can you? Yes, one possibility is that Ford's advertised numbers are high for the 5.0. Then again, it could be something else. Keep in mind, Ford had a guy there....Ford has a vested interest in making the EB look as good as possible. SIX HOURS spent calibrating to the EB and then the 5.0 ran on the same calibrations? Wow, if it had been the other way around you guys would be screaming foul.
You are screaming foul now, we are just playing the same role you played with the earlier tests.
I guess the theory that the EB is rated to tow higher because it produces more low end torque just got blown out of the water. If the litmus test is getting the load rolling, the 5.0 clearly will do that with greater ease (and once it's rolling, it appears that the EB clearly takes over).
The dyno data doesn't show that at all, that was Mike's editorial take.
I've said it before and I'll say it again, my next truck probably will be an EB but right now, it just wasnt for me. I think both are really great engines, I defend the 5.0 mostly because I get sick of the EB owners attitude that the EB is the be-all end all of engines.
You can't say that with a straight face when you 5.0 owners are the ones instigating 90% of the conflict.......
You are screaming foul now, we are just playing the same role you played with the earlier tests.
I guess the theory that the EB is rated to tow higher because it produces more low end torque just got blown out of the water. If the litmus test is getting the load rolling, the 5.0 clearly will do that with greater ease (and once it's rolling, it appears that the EB clearly takes over).
The dyno data doesn't show that at all, that was Mike's editorial take.
I've said it before and I'll say it again, my next truck probably will be an EB but right now, it just wasnt for me. I think both are really great engines, I defend the 5.0 mostly because I get sick of the EB owners attitude that the EB is the be-all end all of engines.
You can't say that with a straight face when you 5.0 owners are the ones instigating 90% of the conflict.......
