Broken timing chains - 2011 Ecoboosts
11-18-2014, 07:22 PM
#271
My previous truck was a 97 F250 with the power stroke. Truck had 386,000 + on the odometer when I sold it. Don't necessarily expect that much from this truck but I hope Ford steps up and takes care of the timing chain issue.
11-19-2014, 11:47 PM
#273
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Check out the thread for startup noise. It will give you a lot of insight as what to watch for.
08-01-2015, 02:23 PM
#274
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Cord, has your truck redeveloped the timing chain issue or is it running as it should?
Has anyone had this problem and had it fixed long term?
I recently bought a 2013 F150 EC with 36,000kms. A few weeks after I purchased the truck through a private deal- it has developed the timing chain rattle after cold starts.
I booked an appointment at the local dealership and when I arrived they said they were too busy and forgot to write my appointment down. I asked to speak with a mechanic there, who said he had never heard of this problem. I showed him a video of a cold start on my truck and he said that I should start by replacing my oil filter with a Ford oil filter. I did that and the noise is still there.
I have read this whole thread and there does not seem to be any conclusive fixes offered. That said the last post was almost a year ago. Has anything changed since then?
Any help would be greatly appreciated!
Thanks
Has anyone had this problem and had it fixed long term?
I recently bought a 2013 F150 EC with 36,000kms. A few weeks after I purchased the truck through a private deal- it has developed the timing chain rattle after cold starts.
I booked an appointment at the local dealership and when I arrived they said they were too busy and forgot to write my appointment down. I asked to speak with a mechanic there, who said he had never heard of this problem. I showed him a video of a cold start on my truck and he said that I should start by replacing my oil filter with a Ford oil filter. I did that and the noise is still there.
I have read this whole thread and there does not seem to be any conclusive fixes offered. That said the last post was almost a year ago. Has anything changed since then?
Any help would be greatly appreciated!
Thanks
08-01-2015, 03:15 PM
#275
Senior Member
Cord, has your truck redeveloped the timing chain issue or is it running as it should?
Has anyone had this problem and had it fixed long term?
I recently bought a 2013 F150 EC with 36,000kms. A few weeks after I purchased the truck through a private deal- it has developed the timing chain rattle after cold starts.
I booked an appointment at the local dealership and when I arrived they said they were too busy and forgot to write my appointment down. I asked to speak with a mechanic there, who said he had never heard of this problem. I showed him a video of a cold start on my truck and he said that I should start by replacing my oil filter with a Ford oil filter. I did that and the noise is still there.
I have read this whole thread and there does not seem to be any conclusive fixes offered. That said the last post was almost a year ago. Has anything changed since then?
Any help would be greatly appreciated!
Thanks
Has anyone had this problem and had it fixed long term?
I recently bought a 2013 F150 EC with 36,000kms. A few weeks after I purchased the truck through a private deal- it has developed the timing chain rattle after cold starts.
I booked an appointment at the local dealership and when I arrived they said they were too busy and forgot to write my appointment down. I asked to speak with a mechanic there, who said he had never heard of this problem. I showed him a video of a cold start on my truck and he said that I should start by replacing my oil filter with a Ford oil filter. I did that and the noise is still there.
I have read this whole thread and there does not seem to be any conclusive fixes offered. That said the last post was almost a year ago. Has anything changed since then?
Any help would be greatly appreciated!
Thanks
08-02-2015, 01:42 AM
#276
Senior Member
I totally agree with you but, warranty is a whole different ballgame. The Manufacturer scrutinizes every part replaced by us at the dealer and they check them believe me. If it was actually up to the tech their would be a new chain,phasers/actuators and tensioners but we can only replace the failed part. And if any of the parts replaced are deemed acceptable the dealer gets charged back the warranty claim and the tech gets debited his labor time. I used to really enjoy my job but its become so political and full of red tape that its just not fun anymore..
I worked for HP. Corporate bean counters are the same way.
Forget about the customers. How much money can they save now.
08-02-2015, 02:10 AM
#277
I just turned my 2013 3.5L EB F-150 in on July 27,a couple times in the last couple months it had a noise on start up cold for a couple seconds and stopped.It had 23,3?? miles on it.I got a new 2015 with the 2.7L Eco Boost in it,i wanted another 3.5 EB but was suprised how the little 2.7L Eco Boost ran.
08-03-2015, 10:48 AM
#278
Senior Member
Truck is running just peachy. Best it has run in over a year. Totally silent on startup too. Sat for a couple of days this weekend and when I started it cringed anticipating the noise, but it was nice and quiet.
10-26-2015, 10:49 AM
#279
2011 f150 eco-busted
Hi , I am new to this site and posting in general. I just felt the need to reach out and see if there is any recourse, I am not getting any support from my dealership. I am driving my dads 2011 f150 super cab ecoboost, it died at under 50k miles.
I started driving it in Jan of 2013 after my Dad passed away, we have a ranch and use it mostly Hi-way getting there, some city driving and hunting. When my dad bought the truck in jan 2012, I took it in for regular oil changes, and at 8k it started running rough at idle and under acceleration. The truck was never hot rodded or abused and Oil changes were done between 4 and 5k regularly. During the last 3 years the truck was taken in 4 more times for the same issue that was never fixed (they could not find the problem). They did add a deflector shield (previous TSB) on the intercooler but from what I understand there was a new TSB issued that required the intercooler to be swapped out for an part number ending with AE instead of the original part ending with AC.
The dealership found sludge inside the engine and despite hundreds if not thousands of posts showing what appears to be a defective timing chain, they are claiming that it is the sludge that caused the problem, and are not accepting any responsibility from a known issue regarding this truck.
I dont understand how there would be any sludge in the engine as it was maintained properly ( i have all of the non dealership reciepts) and never hot rodded. The oil in the crankcase is less than 1800 miles on it and it is BLACK? I have worked on turbos quite a bit in the past and have a bit of experience in automotive mechanics (rebuilt 100 + engines) but not much experience with this 1st gen ecoboost. A month before it died the engine started making that cold start rattle, indicative of premature timing chain wear. I can't help feeling that the engines current condition is all somehow related, The cause of the rough idle and poor performance when passing, the premature breakdown of the oils viscosity, and the premature wearing of the timing chain. Right before the engine died it set off a check engine warning , I went to my local Autozone and read the 16 codes (I also photographed them so I would not have to write them down) and one of the codes was P0016
The valve covers were removed from the engine and what is noticeable is the pass side VTC is broken off of the cam and the drivers side timing chain is completely jammed in-between the engine and the VTC.
I was also told of a recent TSB that specified my truck and engine combo, if engine fails, and reads a code P0016 then the probable cause could be premature timing chain wear and the dealership is authorized to replace the prematurely worn timing chain. I would love to see them replace the unit with a 3rd gen 3.5 but they won't even offer to cover the warranty because of the presence of sludge.
I only used Motorcraft oil and mostly filters but on occasion i would pick up a Fram filter, I always thought they were a better product, but according to the lead tech at the dealership i was informed that the use of a Fram filter would also be grounds for voiding the warranty?
If anyone can help I would really appreciate it, The truck has a lot of sentimental value to me as it was my dads and we did a lot of ranching and hunting together in that truck, if not I would just quit making the payments and let them keep it. Does anyone know of a possible reason that would cause a breakdown in the engine oils viscosity and build up sludge (outside of a lack of proper maintenance), perhaps overheating while lubricating the turbos? I also heard that idling for long periods of time would create this situation?
Or what the actual reason is for the premature wearing out of the chain? Is it the structural integrity of the steel or the lack of material comprising the chain , Or …
Any and all help would be greatly appreciated.
I started driving it in Jan of 2013 after my Dad passed away, we have a ranch and use it mostly Hi-way getting there, some city driving and hunting. When my dad bought the truck in jan 2012, I took it in for regular oil changes, and at 8k it started running rough at idle and under acceleration. The truck was never hot rodded or abused and Oil changes were done between 4 and 5k regularly. During the last 3 years the truck was taken in 4 more times for the same issue that was never fixed (they could not find the problem). They did add a deflector shield (previous TSB) on the intercooler but from what I understand there was a new TSB issued that required the intercooler to be swapped out for an part number ending with AE instead of the original part ending with AC.
The dealership found sludge inside the engine and despite hundreds if not thousands of posts showing what appears to be a defective timing chain, they are claiming that it is the sludge that caused the problem, and are not accepting any responsibility from a known issue regarding this truck.
I dont understand how there would be any sludge in the engine as it was maintained properly ( i have all of the non dealership reciepts) and never hot rodded. The oil in the crankcase is less than 1800 miles on it and it is BLACK? I have worked on turbos quite a bit in the past and have a bit of experience in automotive mechanics (rebuilt 100 + engines) but not much experience with this 1st gen ecoboost. A month before it died the engine started making that cold start rattle, indicative of premature timing chain wear. I can't help feeling that the engines current condition is all somehow related, The cause of the rough idle and poor performance when passing, the premature breakdown of the oils viscosity, and the premature wearing of the timing chain. Right before the engine died it set off a check engine warning , I went to my local Autozone and read the 16 codes (I also photographed them so I would not have to write them down) and one of the codes was P0016
The valve covers were removed from the engine and what is noticeable is the pass side VTC is broken off of the cam and the drivers side timing chain is completely jammed in-between the engine and the VTC.
I was also told of a recent TSB that specified my truck and engine combo, if engine fails, and reads a code P0016 then the probable cause could be premature timing chain wear and the dealership is authorized to replace the prematurely worn timing chain. I would love to see them replace the unit with a 3rd gen 3.5 but they won't even offer to cover the warranty because of the presence of sludge.
I only used Motorcraft oil and mostly filters but on occasion i would pick up a Fram filter, I always thought they were a better product, but according to the lead tech at the dealership i was informed that the use of a Fram filter would also be grounds for voiding the warranty?
If anyone can help I would really appreciate it, The truck has a lot of sentimental value to me as it was my dads and we did a lot of ranching and hunting together in that truck, if not I would just quit making the payments and let them keep it. Does anyone know of a possible reason that would cause a breakdown in the engine oils viscosity and build up sludge (outside of a lack of proper maintenance), perhaps overheating while lubricating the turbos? I also heard that idling for long periods of time would create this situation?
Or what the actual reason is for the premature wearing out of the chain? Is it the structural integrity of the steel or the lack of material comprising the chain , Or …
Any and all help would be greatly appreciated.
10-26-2015, 01:12 PM
#280
Senior Member
Sorry to hear about your Dad, good luck. Feel free to read through the start up noise thread just down this page a bit farther, its the most active thread pertaining to this subject.
You could try contacting one of the Ford service people on this forum to try and help you out...can take to a different dealer...etc.
When dealing with dealers...keep in mind that they do not make much money on warranty work. And working on something for cheap takes time away from working on something they make a lot of money on. I would try another dealer...do research and read reviews of their service departments, find a good one.
Many of us have had this rattle for a year plus so it is a bit odd that the engine blew a month after hearing the noise. May or may not be related. But mines been rattling for 15 months and 45k miles and hasn't let go.
You could try contacting one of the Ford service people on this forum to try and help you out...can take to a different dealer...etc.
When dealing with dealers...keep in mind that they do not make much money on warranty work. And working on something for cheap takes time away from working on something they make a lot of money on. I would try another dealer...do research and read reviews of their service departments, find a good one.
Many of us have had this rattle for a year plus so it is a bit odd that the engine blew a month after hearing the noise. May or may not be related. But mines been rattling for 15 months and 45k miles and hasn't let go.