5.0 UPR vs RX Catch Can Effectiveness Test
05-27-2014, 11:05 AM
#141
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But I feel privileged to own the only Eoboost F150 that doesn't suffer from blow by or CAC condensation issues. 
05-27-2014, 11:37 AM
#142
Thank you. This thread has gotten kind of derailed lately. And 5.0 should be in the thread title which would help keep the irrelevant crap out
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06-01-2014, 09:41 AM
#143
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Test Results
- I'll summarize the test to date. The first phase was to test the UPR vs the RX catch cans on a 5.0, both base models, with the UPR first in line and RX installed to catch anything the UPR missed. Those first phase results were: UPR - 17cc, RX - 67cc. The 'first in line' UPR caught 20% of the total volume. See post 37 in this thread for more details. The cans were cleaned and reinstalled in reverse order for phase 2, RX first and then UPR.
Phase 2 Test Results
- The Weather has been average northern Ohio spring weather. Some rain, fog, cool nights, warm and hot days.
- Driving has been about the same through both phases. I good mix of rural roads, some small towns, highways, and approximately 40% of the miles on interstates at 65 - 80mph. Mostly average style driving, with a few very heavy accelerations mixed in. A little heavy hauling, and no towing.
- What they caught this time might have been predicted by some (after the results of phase 1). RX was first in line, with the UPR after it to catch anything the RX might miss.
The combined volume of gunk was half of that caught in the first phase. The first phase had some cold weather which accounted for more water in the mix and the higher volume.
The contents from the RX can was mostly oil/fuel, and had a strong chemical/solvent smell again. It caught 35.5cc total which is approximately 7 1/8 tsp.
The UPR can caught about the same mix of oil/fuel, but didn't smell quite as strong. Halfway through this phase, Joe@UPR asked me to remove the mesh on the exit side of the UPR can. I did that, but noticed no difference in what it was catching. But since it was second in line, and there was little to catch, that's understandable. The UPR can caught 1.75cc total which is approximately 1/3 tsp. With so little collecting this time, I monitored the contents of the UPR can but didn't empty it until the end of the test.
- Phase 2 Totals:
RX - 35.5cc
UPR - 1.75cc
- Other tidbits include the 'first in line' RX can caught 95% of the total volume. The exit hoses were very clean from both cans. The last few tanks of gas have produced slightly higher than my normal MPGs, but it's too early to tell on that (more to follow after phase 3).
-Phase 3, using the UPR can extension and diffuser, is underway. Details will follow.
- I'll summarize the test to date. The first phase was to test the UPR vs the RX catch cans on a 5.0, both base models, with the UPR first in line and RX installed to catch anything the UPR missed. Those first phase results were: UPR - 17cc, RX - 67cc. The 'first in line' UPR caught 20% of the total volume. See post 37 in this thread for more details. The cans were cleaned and reinstalled in reverse order for phase 2, RX first and then UPR.
Phase 2 Test Results
- The Weather has been average northern Ohio spring weather. Some rain, fog, cool nights, warm and hot days.
- Driving has been about the same through both phases. I good mix of rural roads, some small towns, highways, and approximately 40% of the miles on interstates at 65 - 80mph. Mostly average style driving, with a few very heavy accelerations mixed in. A little heavy hauling, and no towing.
- What they caught this time might have been predicted by some (after the results of phase 1). RX was first in line, with the UPR after it to catch anything the RX might miss.
The combined volume of gunk was half of that caught in the first phase. The first phase had some cold weather which accounted for more water in the mix and the higher volume.
The contents from the RX can was mostly oil/fuel, and had a strong chemical/solvent smell again. It caught 35.5cc total which is approximately 7 1/8 tsp.
The UPR can caught about the same mix of oil/fuel, but didn't smell quite as strong. Halfway through this phase, Joe@UPR asked me to remove the mesh on the exit side of the UPR can. I did that, but noticed no difference in what it was catching. But since it was second in line, and there was little to catch, that's understandable. The UPR can caught 1.75cc total which is approximately 1/3 tsp. With so little collecting this time, I monitored the contents of the UPR can but didn't empty it until the end of the test.
- Phase 2 Totals:
RX - 35.5cc
UPR - 1.75cc
- Other tidbits include the 'first in line' RX can caught 95% of the total volume. The exit hoses were very clean from both cans. The last few tanks of gas have produced slightly higher than my normal MPGs, but it's too early to tell on that (more to follow after phase 3).
-Phase 3, using the UPR can extension and diffuser, is underway. Details will follow.
Last edited by Ford850; 06-01-2014 at 09:46 AM.
06-01-2014, 02:20 PM
#144
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Well, a BIG thanks to: Ford850, TB, and Joe@UPR!
This is from an old boy who - knows nothing - that'd be me. Well, I do know one thing - I love trucks and researching how to make mine a bit better. Only thing is mine is an '02 5.4, so I don't reckon it can use a catch can. But, when I finally do get a new truck, I want to know about these things. See, this can help me decide between 5.0 and Ecoboost even better. I like all Ford's engines, even the 3.7, which will be 3.5 NA (that does mean no Ecoboost, right? Heheheeee, me knowledge is growing).
Okay F850, looking forward to more of ye testing! Good job, good job.
This is from an old boy who - knows nothing - that'd be me. Well, I do know one thing - I love trucks and researching how to make mine a bit better. Only thing is mine is an '02 5.4, so I don't reckon it can use a catch can. But, when I finally do get a new truck, I want to know about these things. See, this can help me decide between 5.0 and Ecoboost even better. I like all Ford's engines, even the 3.7, which will be 3.5 NA (that does mean no Ecoboost, right? Heheheeee, me knowledge is growing).
Okay F850, looking forward to more of ye testing! Good job, good job.
06-01-2014, 02:38 PM
#145
Any pcv system can/will be better for an engine with a good can product installed properly at a distance from extreme heat. It's up to the OP to maintain it/keep it clean and functioning 100%.
06-02-2014, 09:14 AM
#147
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nice work Ford850! I was hoping for 100% from RX but I guess you can't get completely away from some ingestion? Would this be due to the filtered vapor not being scrubbed enough? I look forward to Tuners reply on this.
06-02-2014, 09:38 AM
#148
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I had things cleaned pretty well before starting, so I think there will be some that gets through no matter what. TB predicted the RX would catch 90% of the total, and it ended up getting 95%.
06-02-2014, 04:28 PM
#149
Thanks again Ford850 as this is taking a lot of your time and effort to due this as precise as you are. I predict 90% expecting around 90-95% (there are always some trace vapors that will get through, but no can on the market to date has equaled the effectiveness. The SMC, Elite E2, and Apex come close though....and we urge this test for anyone that thinks they have a can that is doing what it should to try this and see. No smoke and mirrors).
Now, I predict the new additions to the UPR will bring it up substantially in effectiveness to around the RX only catching app 20% of what it will miss, making it one of the top 10 for sure in effectiveness, but that is an educated guess only as we have not done the testing ourselves.
Others that have had this same test done with:
JLT
Moroso
Billet Tech
Billet Prototypes
Diablo Sport
MishiMoto
Mike Norris/CCA
and several more with app the same results as you saw here (Mike Norris/CCA faired a bit better).
Any others that assume they have an effective can? Easy to test w/out going through this.....simply install a clear air compressor separator behind any can. The separator is very ineffective, but it does work well enough to show.
Now, I predict the new additions to the UPR will bring it up substantially in effectiveness to around the RX only catching app 20% of what it will miss, making it one of the top 10 for sure in effectiveness, but that is an educated guess only as we have not done the testing ourselves.
Others that have had this same test done with:
JLT
Moroso
Billet Tech
Billet Prototypes
Diablo Sport
MishiMoto
Mike Norris/CCA
and several more with app the same results as you saw here (Mike Norris/CCA faired a bit better).
Any others that assume they have an effective can? Easy to test w/out going through this.....simply install a clear air compressor separator behind any can. The separator is very ineffective, but it does work well enough to show.