3.5L Ecoboost New Misfire Fix TSB Jan 2014
07-25-2014, 01:02 PM
#171
Senior Member
Also, I'm interested if you noticed any side-effects from the TSB...especially has your MPG changed noticeably.
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07-25-2014, 02:05 PM
#173
I had probably about 1,500 miles on the calibration before the TSB was done. Didn't notice anything different after TSB so the calibration was the factor. After they did the TSB I removed the upper shield on the cooler also. Haven't had any issues. Oil level still climbs but not near what it was. It use to go up a quart in 500 miles. Now after 4,000 miles it's probably 3/4 of a quart high. That still worries me some so I purchased an extended warranty just in case plus for some of the other things I've read that seam to be an issue.
07-25-2014, 07:26 PM
#174
Senior Member
For me ot is about seeing the dew clouds hovering within the driving space an extreme humidity/dew point driving in my travel local as it ranges around 500 mile round trips often for the 4 vehicles. Since i came to the conclusion the PCV clean air side would contaminate the CAC I tested it an found it, I made my own 18" long X 3" collector an have not had 1 drop of contaminant in the CAC's. Before they could be messy at times. I only concerned myself with the clean side evac and left the PCV dirty side as OEM. Simply to catch block contaminents an not Turbo N them thru the CAC's. It works for diesels an it works for EB's also. I am sure size N distance from the motors heat is why. I'm aware of the best system. But mine works n I'm OK with it. I will simply make another can for the PCV dirty side with the common supplies I carry in stock for the business. Possibly with the New 15. 2.7L's. I kept the stock parts n about 5 min. To go back to it at new fleet time next spring.
07-25-2014, 10:19 PM
#175
Just removed the driver side tube an hooked this up in its place. It collects about 1 teaspoon per 1000 miles this summer and about 4 table spoons in the winter. It is cooler than the CAC so that isn't getting into it like before. Usually it is cool to the touch even after driving all after noon. The tube on the other hand would be quite hot. It was raining cats when I took the picture. If you follow the hoses back to the motor they get hot near it. I didn't add an air line from the oil cap to the air box. Doesn't seem to want it with these big hoses and fittings. The stuff it collects doesn't smell like oil and not quite like anything I know. I'm sure it is not as good as an RX but it is working for me. I decided to talk about it now after 8 months of use to know about summer and its effects. It would seem it is the cold, rainy, foggy, long warm up times, that sp;it out the most. After I made the first one I decided on this one with a screen inside it for my other trucks.
Last edited by papa tiger; 12-10-2018 at 09:48 PM.
07-26-2014, 10:31 AM
#176
Senior Member
I have not driven enough to answer you questions, just drove home from the dealer. However I will need the same conditions, hours of rain on the interstate at 80 degrees with high humidity. As far as the mileage I think that will take some time also, the truck was getting 15.9 since new, I have reset the trip odometer and will post again after 1k miles.
Last edited by ymeski56; 07-26-2014 at 10:35 AM.
07-26-2014, 11:41 AM
#177
Senior Member
some clarification from a ford school technician
If you have an older eco boost, then the designation on the CAC is a plain, A, or AB-AC, The revised units which replace the first run units change up to BA, These are the smaller cores.
As I was mentioning to you the other day though, these Intercoolers have been over engineered, and are technically to large for the size of Turbo being used. The TSB has you installing a dam to reduce thermal efficiency.
the new smaller CACs have you remove the dams all together to just have one properly flowing and heat exchange happening.
The very new trucks 14 and newer have a single 'B' designation for the intercoolers these are a larger build, but have revised fin flow to prevent carbon, and oil build up in the cores.
Any type of Oil/Air separator is recommended for boosted applications as it prevents further carbon build up in the engine, although direct injection causes that to happen anyway.
The really good ones are the kind that return the oil to the crank case.
The poorer quality units are the ones that separate and retain moisture in the catch can itself, as there really is no point in retaining water in a separate container, as a properly operating PCV system will burn this off anyway.
If you have an older eco boost, then the designation on the CAC is a plain, A, or AB-AC, The revised units which replace the first run units change up to BA, These are the smaller cores.
As I was mentioning to you the other day though, these Intercoolers have been over engineered, and are technically to large for the size of Turbo being used. The TSB has you installing a dam to reduce thermal efficiency.
the new smaller CACs have you remove the dams all together to just have one properly flowing and heat exchange happening.
The very new trucks 14 and newer have a single 'B' designation for the intercoolers these are a larger build, but have revised fin flow to prevent carbon, and oil build up in the cores.
Any type of Oil/Air separator is recommended for boosted applications as it prevents further carbon build up in the engine, although direct injection causes that to happen anyway.
The really good ones are the kind that return the oil to the crank case.
The poorer quality units are the ones that separate and retain moisture in the catch can itself, as there really is no point in retaining water in a separate container, as a properly operating PCV system will burn this off anyway.
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MadocHandyman (07-26-2014)
07-26-2014, 01:50 PM
#178
some clarification from a ford school technician
If you have an older eco boost, then the designation on the CAC is a plain, A, or AB-AC, The revised units which replace the first run units change up to BA, These are the smaller cores.
As I was mentioning to you the other day though, these Intercoolers have been over engineered, and are technically to large for the size of Turbo being used. The TSB has you installing a dam to reduce thermal efficiency.
the new smaller CACs have you remove the dams all together to just have one properly flowing and heat exchange happening.
The very new trucks 14 and newer have a single 'B' designation for the intercoolers these are a larger build, but have revised fin flow to prevent carbon, and oil build up in the cores.
Any type of Oil/Air separator is recommended for boosted applications as it prevents further carbon build up in the engine, although direct injection causes that to happen anyway.
The really good ones are the kind that return the oil to the crank case.
The poorer quality units are the ones that separate and retain moisture in the catch can itself, as there really is no point in retaining water in a separate container, as a properly operating PCV system will burn this off anyway.
If you have an older eco boost, then the designation on the CAC is a plain, A, or AB-AC, The revised units which replace the first run units change up to BA, These are the smaller cores.
As I was mentioning to you the other day though, these Intercoolers have been over engineered, and are technically to large for the size of Turbo being used. The TSB has you installing a dam to reduce thermal efficiency.
the new smaller CACs have you remove the dams all together to just have one properly flowing and heat exchange happening.
The very new trucks 14 and newer have a single 'B' designation for the intercoolers these are a larger build, but have revised fin flow to prevent carbon, and oil build up in the cores.
Any type of Oil/Air separator is recommended for boosted applications as it prevents further carbon build up in the engine, although direct injection causes that to happen anyway.
The really good ones are the kind that return the oil to the crank case.
The poorer quality units are the ones that separate and retain moisture in the catch can itself, as there really is no point in retaining water in a separate container, as a properly operating PCV system will burn this off anyway.
And separator effective enough to catch and trap the oil also collects and traps these damaging compounds as well, and you can never return these to the engine oil w/out severely accelerating wear. We sent off a sample of what is caught to Blackstone last week for analysis to share.
r3, your in Canada, call Joe (Senior Tech at Rhineland Ford) and discuss a bit with him on this issue. PM me if you need the# to their service department.
07-26-2014, 10:13 PM
#179
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08-01-2014, 12:22 AM
#180
I was watching the video on the engine change on the Baja truck and near the end was what I believe to be a very nice Can on the right front side of it.
http://www.bing.com/videos/search?q=...51828B16499DBD
http://www.bing.com/videos/search?q=...51828B16499DBD
Last edited by papa tiger; 08-01-2014 at 11:11 AM.