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Old 07-25-2014, 01:02 PM   #171
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Back from the dealer with TSB 14-0017 complied with. Every thing seems ok truck runs nice as usual. If I get the hot humid rainy weather I will take it out on the interstate to see if it shutters again, time will tell.
Is the TSB still working for you?

Also, I'm interested if you noticed any side-effects from the TSB...especially has your MPG changed noticeably.


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Me too as I just got the call that I will be getting the latest flash for my 2013 to see if it addresses the issues I'm having.
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Is the TSB still working for you?

Also, I'm interested if you noticed any side-effects from the TSB...especially has your MPG changed noticeably.


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My MPG has gone up by about 1mpg from 16 to 17. They had put the new calibration on before parts came in just before I took a 400 mile trip. I didn't know they had done the calibration but noticed I was getting over 17mpg when I'm usually in the upper 15's on this trip (80 something mph). The higher mpg stayed on my normal commuting too. When parts finally came in about 3 weeks later I asked if they had done something last time I was in and she said they put on the new calibrations. I have a little over 4,000 miles on it since the calibration and have 22,000 miles of mpg records so I know it's not in my head.

I had probably about 1,500 miles on the calibration before the TSB was done. Didn't notice anything different after TSB so the calibration was the factor. After they did the TSB I removed the upper shield on the cooler also. Haven't had any issues. Oil level still climbs but not near what it was. It use to go up a quart in 500 miles. Now after 4,000 miles it's probably 3/4 of a quart high. That still worries me some so I purchased an extended warranty just in case plus for some of the other things I've read that seam to be an issue.
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For me ot is about seeing the dew clouds hovering within the driving space an extreme humidity/dew point driving in my travel local as it ranges around 500 mile round trips often for the 4 vehicles. Since i came to the conclusion the PCV clean air side would contaminate the CAC I tested it an found it, I made my own 18" long X 3" collector an have not had 1 drop of contaminant in the CAC's. Before they could be messy at times. I only concerned myself with the clean side evac and left the PCV dirty side as OEM. Simply to catch block contaminents an not Turbo N them thru the CAC's. It works for diesels an it works for EB's also. I am sure size N distance from the motors heat is why. I'm aware of the best system. But mine works n I'm OK with it. I will simply make another can for the PCV dirty side with the common supplies I carry in stock for the business. Possibly with the New 15. 2.7L's. I kept the stock parts n about 5 min. To go back to it at new fleet time next spring.
Can you describe in detail the "clean side 18 X 3 collector you made? It seems to me that because the drivers side is directly connected to the turbo inlet or negative side there is no check valve needed on that side. Is this correct? I don't understand the reference to clean and dirty side? Both PCV points come off the cylinder heads and in my thinking are "dirty" with crankcase fumes all the time. Only the passenger side has a check valve that closes when the intake manifold in under boost. Thanks
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Just removed the driver side tube an hooked this up in its place. It collects about 1 teaspoon per 1000 miles this summer and about 4 table spoons in the winter. It is cooler than the CAC so that isn't getting into it like before. Usually it is cool to the touch even after driving all after noon. The tube on the other hand would be quite hot. It was raining cats when I took the picture. If you follow the hoses back to the motor they get hot near it. I didn't add an air line from the oil cap to the air box. Doesn't seem to want it with these big hoses and fittings. The stuff it collects doesn't smell like oil and not quite like anything I know. I'm sure it is not as good as an RX but it is working for me. I decided to talk about it now after 8 months of use to know about summer and its effects. It would seem it is the cold, rainy, foggy, long warm up times, that sp;it out the most. After I made the first one I decided on this one with a screen inside it for my other trucks.
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Is the TSB still working for you?

Also, I'm interested if you noticed any side-effects from the TSB...especially has your MPG changed noticeably.


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I have not driven enough to answer you questions, just drove home from the dealer. However I will need the same conditions, hours of rain on the interstate at 80 degrees with high humidity. As far as the mileage I think that will take some time also, the truck was getting 15.9 since new, I have reset the trip odometer and will post again after 1k miles.
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some clarification from a ford school technician

If you have an older eco boost, then the designation on the CAC is a plain, A, or AB-AC, The revised units which replace the first run units change up to BA, These are the smaller cores.

As I was mentioning to you the other day though, these Intercoolers have been over engineered, and are technically to large for the size of Turbo being used. The TSB has you installing a dam to reduce thermal efficiency.

the new smaller CACs have you remove the dams all together to just have one properly flowing and heat exchange happening.

The very new trucks 14 and newer have a single 'B' designation for the intercoolers these are a larger build, but have revised fin flow to prevent carbon, and oil build up in the cores.


Any type of Oil/Air separator is recommended for boosted applications as it prevents further carbon build up in the engine, although direct injection causes that to happen anyway.

The really good ones are the kind that return the oil to the crank case.
The poorer quality units are the ones that separate and retain moisture in the catch can itself, as there really is no point in retaining water in a separate container, as a properly operating PCV system will burn this off anyway.
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some clarification from a ford school technician

If you have an older eco boost, then the designation on the CAC is a plain, A, or AB-AC, The revised units which replace the first run units change up to BA, These are the smaller cores.

As I was mentioning to you the other day though, these Intercoolers have been over engineered, and are technically to large for the size of Turbo being used. The TSB has you installing a dam to reduce thermal efficiency.

the new smaller CACs have you remove the dams all together to just have one properly flowing and heat exchange happening.

The very new trucks 14 and newer have a single 'B' designation for the intercoolers these are a larger build, but have revised fin flow to prevent carbon, and oil build up in the cores.


Any type of Oil/Air separator is recommended for boosted applications as it prevents further carbon build up in the engine, although direct injection causes that to happen anyway.

The really good ones are the kind that return the oil to the crank case.
The poorer quality units are the ones that separate and retain moisture in the catch can itself, as there really is no point in retaining water in a separate container, as a properly operating PCV system will burn this off anyway.
So your saying returning the concentration of water, unburnt fuel, sulfuric acid, abrasive soot and carbon particles that are in concentration with the oil caught is good to return to the crankcase? That is one of the key functions of a PCV system...removing these while still in suspension and burning them in the combustion process.......the only way to return the oil to the crankcase is to purify it with a centrifuge style separator like Racor or Alfa Laval manufacture for industrial applications.

And separator effective enough to catch and trap the oil also collects and traps these damaging compounds as well, and you can never return these to the engine oil w/out severely accelerating wear. We sent off a sample of what is caught to Blackstone last week for analysis to share.

r3, your in Canada, call Joe (Senior Tech at Rhineland Ford) and discuss a bit with him on this issue. PM me if you need the# to their service department.

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I was watching the video on the engine change on the Baja truck and near the end was what I believe to be a very nice Can on the right front side of it.




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