dcfluid

Sir, respectfully you are incorrect.
There are hundreds of thousands of F150 Ecoboost trucks on the road.
I believe we passed the half million mark some time ago?
500/500,000=.1% sample size.

itguy08

Yeah in May we were at "over 500,000" in the F150.
http://www.nytimes.com/2014/05/04/au...-v6s.html?_r=0

Lest we not forget that the 3.5 Ecoboost has been in the SHO, MKS, MKT, and Flex since 2010. Lower volumes but it's been out there.

Plenty of them out there and few with the issues. And the fix from Ford seems to be working. Lots less incidences this year in the summer when it happens most. And they better since if it wasn't fixed the Gov't would be all over them worse than they were with GM for the ignition switch recall.

MadocHandyman

The lower rate of incidences is because of the 500 catch cans installed. It's somehow fixing trucks that don't have one installed now!

MadocHandyman

I edited my numbers!

MadocHandyman

Haven't you heard? They're fixing it with RX catch cans! Apparently they can design an Ecoboost engine but they still can't figure out how to design a simple PCV system! Stupid engineers...

phantomblackgto

They are too busy putting plastic covers on and then taking them off of the CAC's and installing heaters in Florida trucks to reduce the amount of fuel that's mixing with the oil. For starters, I'd say venting the clean side to the turbo inlet with no check valve was a brilliant design. Have some of you pulled yours off to see what's going into the turbo? I don't think that brown liquid crap in some of the CAC's is just humidity condensation. This engine just might win an award for the most number of TSB's. But, damn I know I love mine.

itguy08

I love both mine too.

I'm not sure about the fuel dilution issues. Seems we had a rash of bad HPFP's this winter. I wonder if it's a coincidence with the near record cold winter we had in the US this year? I don't know. But I do know that Used Oil Analyses of properly running Ecoboosts bone stock seem to indicate fuel dilution is within normal levels for a GDI engine. Smell is never a good thing.

It seems with this latest fix Ford got it dialed in as reported incidences are very low. The condensation is what they officially reported to NHTSA, have been able to consistently been able to duplicate and have been able to fix for the most part. Given the raking GM and Toyota have taken for recent recalls, I don't think Ford would purposely lie to HNTSA.

A lot of the other shudder causes can be traced back to coils/plugs as these engines are very picky on them. Start with the basics and you will find your problem.

I personally don't care about that stuff. The engine (as is all engines with closed PCV systems) is designed to deal with it. And it does. Those that do oil analyses of properly running engines find nothing out of the ordinary. There are plenty here and on BITOG that show that. If there truly were a PCV issue, we'd see sludge, blown seals, high wear metals, etc. None of that is present when the engine runs properly.

Some on this site and others are well over 100k on stock Ecoboosts with no issues. It's been around for 5 years now (or next month). Outside condensation and some bum timing chains it's been an outstanding engine.

In the end everyone needs to do what makes them sleep at night. If that's a can, fine. If it's not, that's fine too. Either way will most likely give you years of service from the Ecoboost. The high pressure sales tactics, scare, half truths, etc. help nobody and are a constant story played out in many, many message boards over the past years. It is a shame they are allowed to continue here.

Eco Tuner

Once a mass produced platform is into production making even minor changes, this is not an easy change to make.

They are very aware of it though as they follow these threads closely and are working with the master techs at some service centers including one installing the RX systems.

And to make this clear, anyone that is comfortable having this gunk ingested is in no way pressured to do anything. If they are happy as is they should be able to make that decision themselves. This is ONLY for those with issues or wanting to avoid the issues. In fact 99.9% will never make any changes as very few vehicle owners today even open their hood to check their oil or other fluid levels. This is only for those that want to correct this and eliminate the gunk.

papa tiger

For me ot is about seeing the dew clouds hovering within the driving space an extreme humidity/dew point driving in my travel local as it ranges around 500 mile round trips often for the 4 vehicles. Since i came to the conclusion the PCV clean air side would contaminate the CAC I tested it an found it, I made my own 18" long X 3" collector an have not had 1 drop of contaminant in the CAC's. Before they could be messy at times. I only concerned myself with the clean side evac and left the PCV dirty side as OEM. Simply to catch block contaminents an not Turbo N them thru the CAC's. It works for diesels an it works for EB's also. I am sure size N distance from the motors heat is why. I'm aware of the best system. But mine works n I'm OK with it. I will simply make another can for the PCV dirty side with the common supplies I carry in stock for the business. Possibly with the New 15. 2.7L's. I kept the stock parts n about 5 min. To go back to it at new fleet time next spring.

Eco Tuner

Always good to see input from those that actually work on these vehicles and understand the issues. Easy for those that have never torn an eco boost, diesel, or any other modern turbo charged engine down to make assumption, but for those that do actually work on these daily there is no doubt. And that is where when actual auto techs and automotive engineers come in and discuss what is actually happening those wanting to learn can get accurate information. I know how easy it is for the "keyboard" experts to make claims and shout their opinions and assumptions to confuse and muddy the waters, that is why actually seeing first hand the less than ideal way some manufacturers release vehicles is not always the best solution.

When $half million dollar plus super cars use these from the factory, one would do well to pay attention. Those engineers are given the leeway to implement what is the best possible for the money as they do not have the tight budgetary restraints mass produced vehicle engineers do.

550 units in use the past 6 months is not a large section of the market, very tiny in fact, but to see Ford master techs testing and endorsing this as a fix for the issues all service centers deal with non-stop holds more credibility than just a sales pitch. It will be years before thousands and thousands have implemented the PCV system fix, but even at the current level of over 550 problem prone F150 EB's that have tried every TSB to no avail, and then either installed the fix themselves, or had a Ford dealer do it direct, so far all, including the Ford master techs have been pleasantly surprised it corrected the shudder, misfire, no more gunk in the CAC, and maybe most important the oil levels are not increasing from the contaminates. (which is where all this originates from).