itguy08

Sure have. Here's a snippet:

http://www.shoforum.com/showthread.php?t=113872

BACK2GAS

Read through this thread out of curiosity. Before buying my F150 I owned a 2006 F250 with a 6.0 Power Stroke. I belonged to a forum for that truck as well. That motor had a pretty poor history of reliability with a host of common failure points. I stayed in the loop through the forum and learned a lot about what to look for and how to stay ahead of potential issues.

Just like to EB owners lots of 6.0 guys tuned their trucks. Failures occurred on "tuned" and stock trucks, but obviously "tuned" trucks suffer a higher rate of failure, duh?

I left my 6.0 diesel truck stock. I personally could not afford the cost of a failure. I sold my truck at 135k with only minor issues. I felt like I dodged a bullet in some ways.

While reading through this thread I couldn't help but recognize some commonalities. There's a general lack of accountability and honesty. A lot people of talk about how to avoid having to own up to having a tuner on their truck. Pretty ridiculous really.

Men acting like children who've been caught sneaking liquor from their parent's stash. It's kinda funny.

Deny, deny, deny. If you "tune" your truck and it blows up, don't make excuses. Be a man and suck it up. If you wanna play you gotta pay. If paying means you $10k charge to replace your motor then so be it. That's the cost.

I'm not rich by any stretch, but if I "tuned" my truck and it blew up I wouldn't be looking for anyone else to foot the bill.

Obviously don't tune it again. Does "stock" guarantee that your truck won't have a failure in the future? Of course not. But at least you don't have to hide anything you've done to your truck.

And don't confuse my point. I don't know whether the "tune" blew up the OP's truck or not. Though it likely didn't help. I'm simply saying be honest about it.

I'm just saying if ANYONE has a tune on their truck at the time it blows, man up, be accountable for your choices and pay the bill. That's how we learn.

67galaxie

I told the dealer before they even had the truck, my biggest complaint is them looking at my failure and saying the tuner put two holes in the block and that's final. It is like saying a tuner caused your clutch to slip when possibly a faulty oil seal is soaking down your disks. I don't have a problem being accountable but I payed 50k for this vehicle all I'm asking for is an effort and elimination of know failure causes.

HunterSmitty

I agree with you that being honest would be the right thing to do; however, do you think Ford would show the same honesty back if they found the defective part that failed was more than likely a manufacturer defect rather than caused by the tune? I doubt they would. They would say "it had a tune, no warranty"

In the poker world, we would equate Ford's edge here to "freerolling"

pfbz

Exactly.

modru2004

no, no, and hell no.

if i do something that causes damage i have no problem being accountable for it. but if it wasn't me i sure as hell ain't gonna get raked over the coals for someone else's mistake and circumstantial evidence.

if dealers (and ford) would objectively look at the issue if you were honest id have no problem with that. but telling most dealers you have a tune will weigh in your favor about as much as telling them you thought it was a good idea to drill a hole in the block.

BACK2GAS

This one is easy.

First off, does running a "tuner" void your warranty? If the answer is yes, then it is not "circumstantial evidence" as it relates in this particular case. In other words, if stereo stopped working and you were running a "tuner" then of course the "tuner" has nothing to do with it.

Secondly, did you know running the "tuner" would void your warranty? If the answer is yes and you chose to run the "tuner" anyway well then what can you really say to that?

BACK2GAS

Two separate circumstances. Don't confuse them.

One is, "What would FORD do?"

The other is, "What would I do?"

What you choose to do has nothing to do with what FORD would do. We are accountable individually. We are accountable for our honesty and integrity REGARDLESS of what Ford may or may not choose to do.

When it comes right down to it if you feel that way about a brand, Ford, Dodge, Chevy, etc. Then you shouldn't be purchasing their product.

When things like this happen, similar to when I belonged to the Power Stroke forum...and think about this for a second. Nobody EVER says, "it was my fault". Ever. No accountability. Someone else's fault.

A person could be running 4 turbos, NOS, a race tune with 40 inch tires and still feels as though the "part" that failed should not have.

jwanck11

"Prove the tune caused or even contributed to the failure."

That said, I would rather not do battle to begin with.

BACK2GAS

Look I get it and would not want to be in your shoes, BUT you bought the tuner because you wanted more power, better shifting, etc. I totally get it. You bought it and hooked it up KNOWING it would void your warranty as it relates to your motor. You've had a major motor failure while you were running a tune. Your warranty has been voided and you're potentially SOL.

I'm running an AS spacer in my front suspension. If my CV axles wear out prematurely it's on me.

I feel for you just as I felt for guys dropping 10k into their diesel mishaps. It just doesn't change anything.

Guys always want their issue to be investigated to the fullest extent, all possibilities eliminated, no expense spared to rule out all known or unknown potential issues, root cause analysis, etc. Problem is...nothing realistically works this way.

Plus with your vehicle having no driving or telemetry information about what was going on in your engine at the time of the failure...really the burden of proof is on you more than them. They know you had something hooked up, they just don't know what. With no information they don't know whether you were running 20 lbs of boost drag racing or picking up groceries.

If your truck was stock then at the very least they could pull all your driving information and see that your motor failed while operating within normal operating parameters. That would at least be in your favor and help your case.

I learned a lot owning a problem plagued 6.0 diesel. I learned to leave it stock, maintain it well and if I'm lucky I won't have an issue. I was lucky and made it out of that truck without any large expenses.

Be that as it may, guys with those trucks tuned the crap out of them, drag raced them, did boosted launches, etc. While they were replacing transmissions, fixing cracked heads and swapping stretched head bolts, spending ten of thousands and weeks of vehicle down time I just kept humming along.