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Again, you don't know what you are talking about...you laid your cards??? Guess it was a crap hand, huh? And yes two names....and they are not raptor. The first of which I will say was dumb...the second not so bad. I hope it sticks. The production truck however may keep the Raptor name. But again the current program alias is NOT RAPTOR! You are gather info...that's funny. I have it. In fact I already know what's happening for 2018
Poser.
I wont reply to any more of your poser posts until 2016.
You never posted anything about "Your direct" involvement with the EB Raptor, in fact after searching your post history, you don't seem to know much about nothing.
Yea, I laid out my job, location and what I have heard from the inside.
WTF have you done? You never even posted what state you live in. As far as anyone here knows, your just a dam bag boy at the local Stop N Shop.
I understand what you are saying with the not much boost to pass up the 3.5L...but it's the supporting components...as well as the engineering, tuning, testing, etc...it will all drive cost. The problem is they know very well that if they build a 5.0L ecoboost people will want more, that's how we are. When they start the design process they have to take that into consideration and put safety factors into all the CAE calculations. So let's say you want them to have a 5.0L ecoboost in that truck with 500 hp and 575 lb-ft of torque...ok yeah, that's easy...low boost....very low boost. So low, why bother with all the development money? OK so let's say they did try to go forward with it. They would now have a powerplant capable of 1000 hp very easily. Now all of the supporting items would need to be redesigned..completely...Ford isn't jegs. This means newly designed transmission, transfer case, rear axle, engine mounts, off engine brackets, trans mounts, bridging brackets, frame stiffening, etc. What I am trying to explain, is its not just an engine or induction system change...it becomes a major vehicle change.
Now assuming they get a change like that approved by upper management. Now they spend years working on the designes, working out the CAE details, and get something that might be a viable option. Now they have to find suppliers to make these new components....the volume for both the coyote and the 3.5L are relatively high. This new 1000HP capable engine would require significant changes several areas of the engine, trans, axle, and chassis. All those parts that were sourced at relatively low cost due to high volumes, will now be high cost parts with low volumes. Simply put, a $3.50 casting now becomes a $10.00 casting. Do that say....50 to 100 times on different components, and it adds up very quickly. 50 to 100 different parts may sound like a lot, but when something like this affects the entire system, it's nothing.
But isn't this ecoboost totally new anyways????... If so the development will still have to occur. What does ford care if a turbo v8 can easily be made to 1000hp with aftermarket tuning or what ever... Ford just certifies the powertrain to the power level its designed for which is usually a little more. Remember because something can handle more power then stock, odds are that lifespan or reliability of that part or system is reduced. All ford has to certify to is the normal practice of durability/reliability at a certain power level. So in your example of 500hp, I would guess to say they would design it with a power handling capability of 700hp(I could be off be either way its designed with more then advertised). By doing this is how they build in that lifespan and reliability. The same would be done even if it was a turbo v6. You say that they would have to redesign everything else if its a v8.. well no, if they set a goal of 500hp they design it to handle more power then 500hp to build in a safety margin. Then everything else is designed to those specs. The powertrain doesn't care if it was a V6 or V8 that is making the power, it just has to support the power that it was designed to take.
If they were going to design an engine from a clean slate to make say 500hp, either turbo v6 or turbo v8 it could be done and costs in development would be minimal in difference between the two IMO. It just depends on the manufacturers goals (ie direction from up top regarding what boundries the design has to stay in etc)
Don't get me wrong, I love turbo anything (look at my sig as what I have). The only thing that a v6 has over a v8 in general is weight and size. No different that what a 4cyl has over a v6.
How many 2014 mustang gt500s did they sell last year? Didn't it come with a 5.8L v8 supercharged? Well I bet development was alot for an engine that was going into a low volume car.... I guess a raptor (which I find it hard to believe ford will change the name) will be no different. I would bet the ecoboost that will go into that raptor will have more in common parts wise with the ford gt then the regular ecoboost in the f150.
So two things I've been wondering so far,
1: The hood vent looks like it has the ability to open and close, I wonder if this will actually be a function.
2: This is from several articles "The 2017 Raptor will also get a new 10-speed transmission, advanced LED lighting,"
By advanced LED lighting do they mean advanced by the standards of the 2015?
I know im probably imagining things, but the lights on the interior look more vibrant than the 2015's Ive seen. I've included pictures below for examples.
I could care less what ends up under the hood honestly. I just hope they don't do the white leather on the seat bolsters. So ricer-ish. I'm all for a subtle, simple, clean interior. Maybe some color piping or stitching at the very most.
So. Who give a flying fk about what the project is called? The production version IS called RAPTOR...
And [MENTION=161982]quicklx[/MENTION] .... Before you start calling people idiots and calling out others for "trying to sound intelligent", why don't you check your own grammar? You're writing at a 2nd grade level. Don't throw stones in a glass house!
According to the Ford website the high output ecoboost is going to put down more power and torque than the current 6.2L. Why the hell would you need a V-8? This HO ecoboost is exclusive to the Raptor. Also the only thing this 2nd gen. ecoboost shares with the first gen. Is the actual displacement.
According to the Ford website the high output ecoboost is going to put down more power and torque than the current 6.2L. Why the hell would you need a V-8? This HO ecoboost is exclusive to the Raptor. Also the only thing this 2nd gen. ecoboost shares with the first gen. Is the actual displacement.
Not that anything is wrong with the EB, some of us older guys have had V8's in every vehicle we've ever owned. IMHO, as being a mechanic for years, I find that the V8's are less money to maintain and easier to work on.
My current 2001 F150 has the 4.6 and it is running just as strong as the day I bought it. My 78 Bronco had a 351w that went over 200,000 trouble free miles before I sold it.
Numerous Mustangs I have owned (89 LX2.3L blew head gasket at 35,000 miles) V8 wise were all bullet proof, never had one problem engine wise.
The 5.0 can turn some serious HP for under $2,000.
Looks like I will be getting a 2015 Lariat 4X4 SC 5.0 now. Pricing lift and wheels now.
Well im not that young and I've also always had V-8's. I'm not saying I don't like them cuz I do and it took me awhile to choose the eco over the 5.0. But now we're talking a whole different ball game with this 2nd gen.
But isn't this ecoboost totally new anyways????... If so the development will still have to occur. What does ford care if a turbo v8 can easily be made to 1000hp with aftermarket tuning or what ever... Ford just certifies the powertrain to the power level its designed for which is usually a little more. Remember because something can handle more power then stock, odds are that lifespan or reliability of that part or system is reduced. All ford has to certify to is the normal practice of durability/reliability at a certain power level. So in your example of 500hp, I would guess to say they would design it with a power handling capability of 700hp(I could be off be either way its designed with more then advertised). By doing this is how they build in that lifespan and reliability. The same would be done even if it was a turbo v6. You say that they would have to redesign everything else if its a v8.. well no, if they set a goal of 500hp they design it to handle more power then 500hp to build in a safety margin. Then everything else is designed to those specs. The powertrain doesn't care if it was a V6 or V8 that is making the power, it just has to support the power that it was designed to take.
If they were going to design an engine from a clean slate to make say 500hp, either turbo v6 or turbo v8 it could be done and costs in development would be minimal in difference between the two IMO. It just depends on the manufacturers goals (ie direction from up top regarding what boundries the design has to stay in etc)
Don't get me wrong, I love turbo anything (look at my sig as what I have). The only thing that a v6 has over a v8 in general is weight and size. No different that what a 4cyl has over a v6.
How many 2014 mustang gt500s did they sell last year? Didn't it come with a 5.8L v8 supercharged? Well I bet development was alot for an engine that was going into a low volume car.... I guess a raptor (which I find it hard to believe ford will change the name) will be no different. I would bet the ecoboost that will go into that raptor will have more in common parts wise with the ford gt then the regular ecoboost in the f150.
Whether you are right or wrong in your assertions, I love your post. Your rationale seems imminently sound.
For a loose parallel, that kind of thinking/planning/developing was behind the Boeing 757/767 projects. Both big hits.
I've got the 5.0 in a 2013 Screw longbox and love it. Cannot imagine a turbo 5.0, but would love to try one if it happens.
01-15-2015, 11:19 PM
