2017 Ford Raptor, new H.O. 3.5L Ecoboost Engine
10-26-2016, 11:00 PM
#231
Senior Member
The Titan is overpriced, I would think the "Warrior" would be too.
10-26-2016, 11:01 PM
#232
Senior Member
10-27-2016, 12:27 AM
#233
So where are engines actually heading, long term ?
Simple actually, only the component costs are keeping it from being a reality already.
Hydrogen-Electric.
Disassociated from water as you drive.
Fill your tank with tap water.
Water is converted to Hydrogen as you drive, eliminating the challenges of storing large quantities of liquid or gaseous hydrogen aboard the vehicle.
Hydrogen is combusted inside a small displacement engine, coupled to an electric generator, generating electricity.
That electricity is used to drive a small electric motor mounted at each wheel.
Instant all-wheel/4-wheel drive.
No transmission, no drivetrain, almost no sound, potentially staggering torque.
No need for complicated regenerative breaking systems, overnight recharging, or multi-hour mid-trip recharge lunches.
Call it..."Hose and Go"
And no, there's nothing overly futuristic about it other than it puts the entire oil industry in a very bad place.
Now, if you really want to be forward thinking, consider this...how easy would it be to employ the same exact technology at a slightly larger scale to provide electric power to every house in the country. No power grid to worry about. Pay the water company and you're done. No Hose required.
Almost utopian in its simplicity isn't it.
I figure it will take another 50 years or so.
Only time will tell for sure.
Respectfully...
Simple actually, only the component costs are keeping it from being a reality already.
Hydrogen-Electric.
Disassociated from water as you drive.
Fill your tank with tap water.
Water is converted to Hydrogen as you drive, eliminating the challenges of storing large quantities of liquid or gaseous hydrogen aboard the vehicle.
Hydrogen is combusted inside a small displacement engine, coupled to an electric generator, generating electricity.
That electricity is used to drive a small electric motor mounted at each wheel.
Instant all-wheel/4-wheel drive.
No transmission, no drivetrain, almost no sound, potentially staggering torque.
No need for complicated regenerative breaking systems, overnight recharging, or multi-hour mid-trip recharge lunches.
Call it..."Hose and Go"
And no, there's nothing overly futuristic about it other than it puts the entire oil industry in a very bad place.
Now, if you really want to be forward thinking, consider this...how easy would it be to employ the same exact technology at a slightly larger scale to provide electric power to every house in the country. No power grid to worry about. Pay the water company and you're done. No Hose required.
Almost utopian in its simplicity isn't it.
I figure it will take another 50 years or so.
Only time will tell for sure.
Respectfully...
UM, no. You would have to violate the laws of thermodynamics to do that, which is impossible. You are describing an over unity engine, which cannot exist.
10-27-2016, 03:20 PM
#234
Nope Nope Nope. Current concepts utilize an expensive, short lived catalyst pack to drive the disassociation of the water into hydrogen and oxygen. This part of the equation drives inefficiencies and costs that currently prohibit the system from entering even prototype levels, much less production levels. It's also the part of the process that ensures that we're not operating in the >100% efficiency range. Replacement of that catalyst pack could eventually become a routine maintenance event, almost like an oil change, every 5k miles or so.
10-27-2016, 03:40 PM
#235
Nope Nope Nope. Current concepts utilize an expensive, short lived catalyst pack to drive the disassociation of the water into hydrogen and oxygen. This part of the equation drives inefficiencies and costs that currently prohibit the system from entering even prototype levels, much less production levels. It's also the part of the process that ensures that we're not operating in the >100% efficiency range. Replacement of that catalyst pack could eventually become a routine maintenance event, almost like an oil change, every 5k miles or so.
10-28-2016, 07:52 AM
#236
All this talk about forced induction V6 being the wave of the future is a bunch of crap. Im really not sure what's so hard to understand by hardcore Ford fanboys who seem to gladly eat what Ford forces down their throat?
Look, Ford took a loan from the gub'ment. They signed a back room deal to get on board with forthcoming EPA standards. Ecobust was birthed from that deal. The ONLY reason EcoBust was brought to market was for Ford to be able to get their EPA ratings under EPA testing. Which is done under controlled testing. NOT real world testing. The turbos just allowed for the lil V6 to get V8 power, which is needed in a truck. HOWEVER!!! This EPA rated MPGs DO NOT translate to real world MPGs...its simple physics.
Now then, I wil concede that the EcoBust did blow away the Triton modular V8s that Ford had going on at the time as they were total gas hogs. But more modern V8s have closed the gap. The 5.7 in my truck ( along with the 5.0 ) gets the same and sometimes better real world MPG than the two guys at my work who have EcoBusts...it drives them nuts LOL! It slays their EcoBusts in MPG when towing. Real world is where it counts people, not the lab and not on paper.
With new fuel delivery, start stop functions, cylinder deactivation, reduced parasitic loss, transmission and drive train improvements, continued weight savings, etc. the modern V8 can be made to be more and more efficient and is the best choice for a half ton truck for efficiency and effectiveness.....not a turbo V6. They should continue to make the investment in V8s. Small, forced induction engines in a large vehicle is a misguided venture.
However, smaller forced induction engines have their place when they are right sized to a smaller vehicle. Physics people...physics.
Look, Ford took a loan from the gub'ment. They signed a back room deal to get on board with forthcoming EPA standards. Ecobust was birthed from that deal. The ONLY reason EcoBust was brought to market was for Ford to be able to get their EPA ratings under EPA testing. Which is done under controlled testing. NOT real world testing. The turbos just allowed for the lil V6 to get V8 power, which is needed in a truck. HOWEVER!!! This EPA rated MPGs DO NOT translate to real world MPGs...its simple physics.
Now then, I wil concede that the EcoBust did blow away the Triton modular V8s that Ford had going on at the time as they were total gas hogs. But more modern V8s have closed the gap. The 5.7 in my truck ( along with the 5.0 ) gets the same and sometimes better real world MPG than the two guys at my work who have EcoBusts...it drives them nuts LOL! It slays their EcoBusts in MPG when towing. Real world is where it counts people, not the lab and not on paper.
With new fuel delivery, start stop functions, cylinder deactivation, reduced parasitic loss, transmission and drive train improvements, continued weight savings, etc. the modern V8 can be made to be more and more efficient and is the best choice for a half ton truck for efficiency and effectiveness.....not a turbo V6. They should continue to make the investment in V8s. Small, forced induction engines in a large vehicle is a misguided venture.
However, smaller forced induction engines have their place when they are right sized to a smaller vehicle. Physics people...physics.
10-28-2016, 08:01 AM
#239
Senior Member
10-28-2016, 08:44 AM
#240
the Specs on the Rebel t-rex(if that ever actually went to production) will cost way to much to be in the ball park of a raptor. Whether if has more more power/v8 is of no concern to me as 450hp and 510tq is MORE than enough no matter what engine is producing it. and in the physics portion of the statement, you are able to have better balance with the v6 weighing less(even including the turbos/inter-cooler blah blah)
I had a 2012 ecoboost and when i purchased my 2015 i went with the 5.0. I love the sound of the 5.0 but it definitely does NOT get the same mpg. I drive 45 miles each direction to work and back and averaged about 3mpg+ better in my old ecoboost.
I had a 2012 ecoboost and when i purchased my 2015 i went with the 5.0. I love the sound of the 5.0 but it definitely does NOT get the same mpg. I drive 45 miles each direction to work and back and averaged about 3mpg+ better in my old ecoboost.