P0174 P0171 Rich at Idle
#1
P0174 P0171 Rich at Idle
Hello everyone. I have a 98 5.4 scab flareside with 190k. I'm getting lean codes for both banks (P0171, P0174). Long-term fuel trims at idle are about -15% on both banks. When maintaining highway speeds or accelerating from a stop they are maxed at +25%. STFT's are also all over the place in the same directions. MAF is showing 50 cfm at idle, about 150 cfm at 1500 rpm. Fuel pressure is 30 at idle and 40 at WOT. Intake air temps seem accurate.
Would anyone like to take a stab at a diagnosis?
I'm confident I know the issue but won't mention it yet to avoid skewing opinions.
Would anyone like to take a stab at a diagnosis?
I'm confident I know the issue but won't mention it yet to avoid skewing opinions.
#2
Senior Member
The PCV elbow on the back of the throttle body is probably leaking.
#3
#4
Senior Member
Pumps going south If 30 is accurate.
#5
Pressure is accurate. Checked with 2 different testers. 29 on one 31 on the other at idle. I thought bottom of spec was 28 at idle, and was thinking the fault to be with the injectors. With the trim fluctuations I'm seeing I was expecting something more than a pump at the edge of spec. I drove extensively with a gauge hooked up and never saw it fall below 28. It holds steady at 40psi at WOT.
#6
Senior Member
Your codes you list are lean codes. Not rich codes.
#7
Correct. The codes say it is running lean for a long enough time to trigger a code. Watching fuel trims tells the whole story. Fuel trims are showing rich at idle and lean only under load. A vacuum leak would show lean at idle as well.
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#8
Senior Member
Deleted. - in denial, why do these guys even ask? Sparty, - make sure come back and post when the pump goes out, like I said it was going to
Last edited by Jbrew; 08-21-2016 at 09:58 PM.
#9
Senior Member
Are your fuel pressure numbers with the vacuum disconnected?