Check This Out .. I Wonder If It really Works
10-27-2008, 08:23 PM
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Check This Out .. I Wonder If It really Works
Well i yesterday i started to talk to this guy that lives a few houses down from me that has put this product in his truck. he has a 03 f150 with 10 inchs of lift and 37"s. He has a CAI and thats it no gear or programmer and says before he was getting 11 MPG and now he gets 26 MPG by buying this product. i dont know how true it is .. but tell me what yall think. he said it ran him 185 installed.
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10-28-2008, 01:12 PM
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The dec 08 issue of Car and Driver has some pretty good explenations of the whole "Browns Gas" (HHO) converter things. I agree with the other members of this post. "If it seems to good to be true, It probably is"
10-28-2008, 01:30 PM
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My buddy installed a Hydro 4000 kit on his lifted Ram 1500 with 35" tires and 4.56 gearing, and went from 9mpg to 19mpg. It is not the same as what is here, but same concept. It does work, but is very expensive.
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10-28-2008, 01:40 PM
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the amount of fuel that the engine "wastes" is negligble, it might have some merit on a 2 stroke engine, but they are mainly used where space is a premium and thus extra systems like this won't be utilized...
the hydrogen thingy farther down is based on the same concept as an electrical hybrid...
when the engine is running at a power output that is lower than power output at peak fuel economy, run at a higher power output and store the extra energy for later use.
the difference between this scam and a hybrid is that in an electric hybrid you go
mechanical 90%-> electrical 90%-> chemical 90%-> electrical 90%-> mechanical
the efficiency at each step is about 90% for each change in energy.
so if you create 100 units of mechanical energy, 90 of it is converted by the alternator to electrical, 81 of that gets stored as chemical energy in the battery, 72.9 makes it back out of the battery as electricity, and 65.61 units are turned into mechanical energy in the electric motor.
but with hydrogen you are replacing the alternator -> battery with alternator->electrolysis and the battery->motor with hydrogen gas-> internal combustion
mechanical 90%-> Electrical 50%-> chemical 25%-> mechanical
so for 100 units it goes 90 -> 45 -> 11.25 units end up as mechanical.
the reason for this is that batteries and electric motors can convert most of the energy they recieve without much heat loss, but electroysis - requires a lot of energy to reverse the water into hydrogen and oxygen, about half is lost to heat energy, and then burning it into an internal combustion engine also has high losses to heat energy.
water is the ash or exhaust you get from burning hydrogen and oxygen, reversing the process requires all the energy it originally released on burning + heat loss in the process.
the reason electric cars aren't feasable is that gasoline has 500 times the energy density of batteries - to drive 30 miles you need about a gallon or two of gas burned at 25% efficiency which doesn't weigh that much, compared to 1000 lbs of lead acid batteries(.09-.11 MJ/Kg) at 90% efficiency which are the most economical at this time.
the big breakthrough that is required is a way of either creating a liquid fuel that can be created easily with clean power or a way of dramatically increasing the energy storage density of batteries. Lithium ion batteries (.54-.72 MJ/Kg) are only about 6 times the density of lead acid so it's not quite enough yet compared to gas (46.4 MJ/Kg)
the hydrogen thingy farther down is based on the same concept as an electrical hybrid...
when the engine is running at a power output that is lower than power output at peak fuel economy, run at a higher power output and store the extra energy for later use.
the difference between this scam and a hybrid is that in an electric hybrid you go
mechanical 90%-> electrical 90%-> chemical 90%-> electrical 90%-> mechanical
the efficiency at each step is about 90% for each change in energy.
so if you create 100 units of mechanical energy, 90 of it is converted by the alternator to electrical, 81 of that gets stored as chemical energy in the battery, 72.9 makes it back out of the battery as electricity, and 65.61 units are turned into mechanical energy in the electric motor.
but with hydrogen you are replacing the alternator -> battery with alternator->electrolysis and the battery->motor with hydrogen gas-> internal combustion
mechanical 90%-> Electrical 50%-> chemical 25%-> mechanical
so for 100 units it goes 90 -> 45 -> 11.25 units end up as mechanical.
the reason for this is that batteries and electric motors can convert most of the energy they recieve without much heat loss, but electroysis - requires a lot of energy to reverse the water into hydrogen and oxygen, about half is lost to heat energy, and then burning it into an internal combustion engine also has high losses to heat energy.
water is the ash or exhaust you get from burning hydrogen and oxygen, reversing the process requires all the energy it originally released on burning + heat loss in the process.
the reason electric cars aren't feasable is that gasoline has 500 times the energy density of batteries - to drive 30 miles you need about a gallon or two of gas burned at 25% efficiency which doesn't weigh that much, compared to 1000 lbs of lead acid batteries(.09-.11 MJ/Kg) at 90% efficiency which are the most economical at this time.
the big breakthrough that is required is a way of either creating a liquid fuel that can be created easily with clean power or a way of dramatically increasing the energy storage density of batteries. Lithium ion batteries (.54-.72 MJ/Kg) are only about 6 times the density of lead acid so it's not quite enough yet compared to gas (46.4 MJ/Kg)
10-28-2008, 09:44 PM
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That reminds me of this stuff I heard about was called CA-40. I dont know if any of you guys heard of it. They said it eliminates wasted fuel going out the exhaust and improve gas mileage, At 30 dollars a gallon(although you only put a small amount in ever so often) I passed. A co worker tried in a geo metro, and I didnt help. So yeah, I would pass on it too.
