Please Read: 2004 Ford F150 Cam Phaser / VCT Solenoid / Sludge?
#191
I did also notice that when I put 93 in the tank the noise does seem to go away. Now, I want to heavily stress that I know the noise I had experienced was certainly louder than injector tick. The injectors were not the source, but could it be related? I think so. Perhaps when the higher octane is used (since it's not blended with the ethanol garbage) that could also help lubricate the top end... the puzzle falls together a little smoother, and everything runs a little better. I'd say that even with gas at $3.47/gallon (3.67 for premium) the additional $6.00 PER TANK (`30 gal - which is high end) of gas is well worth a shot. I will do this for the next several tanks to ensure that all of the fuel in the tank is in fact premium, and see if the noise persists with the tuner set to stock. Should be interesting.
Also, as I said earlier, I don't think that the VCT was the stand alone solution, but it played a key role in the big picture. Know what I mean? If one piece of the puzzle is upside down, the other pieces don't fit as well... (for lack of a better way to explain)
Also, as I said earlier, I don't think that the VCT was the stand alone solution, but it played a key role in the big picture. Know what I mean? If one piece of the puzzle is upside down, the other pieces don't fit as well... (for lack of a better way to explain)
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It sounds like some people are experiencing pinging due to bad fuel. Or high ethanol in non flex fuel engines. This would be known to make a diesel sound. Thoughts.....
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Originally Posted by primalurges
Replacing the solenoids will change the sound but not because the solenoids are bad but rather if you have an 04, the new part has a smaller diameter opening likely producing more oil pressure in the phasers. Before you consider spending a couple hundred bucks you may want to modify the solenoid so that it functions like the new part. I was able to do it for about a dime using a 4mm stainless washer that fits perfectly snug inside the existing washer at the end of the solenoid. By doing this my truck has quieted down enough to where I no longer hear the diesel sound inthe cabin while the windows are open. my sound too like zippers is really only noticable on the passenger side and is louder under the truck. The chain theory is possible but now that my ticking is gone and only hear the low frequency diesel churn so Im thinking something else. There is a TSB for the fan clutch on the 04 for a sound that it make when cold, upon initial start up for about 10 seconds the fan will sound as if an electric fan is cycling off and on. I'm wondering if this fan is responsible for the diesel sound once its warmed up?
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My question would be (and please excuse me if it's already been asked) is there any relation between the regular 87 octane fuel and using E-85 in conjunction with the dieseling sounds? Does one fuel produce it more or less than the other? Perhaps not as easy to figure out if only the flex fuel folks can test it if they already have the dieseling noises.
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#196
When you remove the snap ring, you'll find the cup shaped washer and a spring. The 4mm washer should fit snuggly into the existing washer and could be tapped in place with a nail punch and just re-assemble. My clankity clank sound disappeared but I still have woosh woosh diesel like sound however it is noticeably quieter than what I started with. I replaced on solenoid with a new one and modded the other one to resemble the new one.
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I did also notice that when I put 93 in the tank the noise does seem to go away. Now, I want to heavily stress that I know the noise I had experienced was certainly louder than injector tick. The injectors were not the source, but could it be related? I think so. Perhaps when the higher octane is used (since it's not blended with the ethanol garbage) that could also help lubricate the top end... the puzzle falls together a little smoother, and everything runs a little better. I'd say that even with gas at $3.47/gallon (3.67 for premium) the additional $6.00 PER TANK (`30 gal - which is high end) of gas is well worth a shot. I will do this for the next several tanks to ensure that all of the fuel in the tank is in fact premium, and see if the noise persists with the tuner set to stock. Should be interesting.
Also, as I said earlier, I don't think that the VCT was the stand alone solution, but it played a key role in the big picture. Know what I mean? If one piece of the puzzle is upside down, the other pieces don't fit as well... (for lack of a better way to explain)
Also, as I said earlier, I don't think that the VCT was the stand alone solution, but it played a key role in the big picture. Know what I mean? If one piece of the puzzle is upside down, the other pieces don't fit as well... (for lack of a better way to explain)
I own a 1997 Ford Expedition with a Police Interceptor in it. Its the 4.6L triton v8. If you put 87 octane in it the truck spark knocks and sounds just like you described. My truck will spark knock just like you described. My noise is gone with 93 octane. To bad I can live with the slight ticking noise because gas prices aren't going to render me paying almost 4 bucks for premium grade. What is odd is I have no tuner on my truck. Its completely factory so as far as I know. I am looking into getting the Edge Evo Tuner for it, the one that sits on the dash... but haven't yet done so...
Like said that Expedition spark knocks terrible... it will pull maybe 10 miles to a gallon of gas... IF your lucky... You put Premium 93 Octane in it, and it runs great. In fact just from adding to the fuel whilst the truck is running changes the idle in it... It goes from 10 miles to a gallon, to 16 and yeah sad to say this but thats high way. Its a yard ornament... but still.. Just saying it sounds very close to the ticking I was having but its much louder of course because it is meant to run 93....
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My question would be (and please excuse me if it's already been asked) is there any relation between the regular 87 octane fuel and using E-85 in conjunction with the dieseling sounds? Does one fuel produce it more or less than the other? Perhaps not as easy to figure out if only the flex fuel folks can test it if they already have the dieseling noises.
#200
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Can someone please give me some advice.
I have the ticking noise as well periodically. Not when I start up but every now and then when I am going 40-50 miles/hr. There are about 7-8 loud ticks and then the truck rumbles/shakes.
Am I looking at a similar problem as the cam phaser or solenoid issue, or could it be something else.
Anyones imput would be greatly appreciated!!!
Thanks
I have the ticking noise as well periodically. Not when I start up but every now and then when I am going 40-50 miles/hr. There are about 7-8 loud ticks and then the truck rumbles/shakes.
Am I looking at a similar problem as the cam phaser or solenoid issue, or could it be something else.
Anyones imput would be greatly appreciated!!!
Thanks