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Old 08-07-2013, 02:40 PM
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Originally Posted by westeddie020
I have similar issue dipstick had slight sign of sludge and rough idle at same rpm's ford guy said it was worn valve guide probably due to poor spark plug change. The repair was going to be around $3000 but he said you still have an old engine,I have to get new or rebuilt engine one day or until it gives up . I'm in Canada and nothing up here is cheap $5300. would be a deal up here my quote was $7000 for rebuilt and $10,000 + from ford. Good luck.
I am sorry to hear that I hope you find a solution
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Originally Posted by alsatropine
Dude, you could get a rebuilt from ford direct or jasper for way cheaper. Either that or rebuild the one you have. I got quoted 5300 for a brand spankin new engine labor included by the dealership. Someone is taking advantage of you. Would like to see the sludge they are referring to.
I should have clarified, the 5300 is for a jasper engine as well as labor and tax. I have added some pictures, poor angles, but maybe they can show something

Originally Posted by KevFord1993
Rebuilding an engine that's been sludged is a massive pain in the ***. Just pop the heads and take a peek at what it truly looks like. Otherwise drop in a new one.
Honestly it looks worse in the pictures, due to hardly any light and bad angle, than it does in person. IMHO, it's cleanable but I am by no means a mechanic.
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Not sure how bad the sludge is....I have heard of people running trans fluid or diesel fuel in a motor for a short time to get the crud out.

IMO, if you are going for a new motor, I would shop around. $5,300 for a new motor seems steep. A low mileage pull from car-part.com should be under 2k and a reman under 3k. Figure $500 for an engine swap depending on shop rates.
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Originally Posted by scobar
Not sure how bad the sludge is....I have heard of people running trans fluid or diesel fuel in a motor for a short time to get the crud out.

IMO, if you are going for a new motor, I would shop around. $5,300 for a new motor seems steep. A low mileage pull from car-part.com should be under 2k and a reman under 3k. Figure $500 for an engine swap depending on shop rates.
I have some pictures at the bottom of the first page, they aren't that great, and kind of dark, but maybe that gives an idea. I almost think the pictures make it look worse that in person due to the lighting and bad angle. The 5300 is for the jasper engine, tax, and labor.
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Well, you know your option is a new motor....i would try the diesel or trans fluid, what do you have to lose? Also, I started that reply this morning. How's your day going lol.
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Originally Posted by scobar
Well, you know your option is a new motor....i would try the diesel or trans fluid, what do you have to lose? Also, I started that reply this morning. How's your day going lol.
Oh can't complain too much, little stressed over the truck though! lol. how about you? I think we've decided to replace the timing chain and VCT solenoids, mechanically clean under the valve covers, and flush the engine out. Probably going to start tomorrow.

Anyone have any opinions on that/advice?
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The lobes on that camshaft look worn out, I've seen that before on some earlier model 5.0 due to lack of maint. I would think the lower end bearing's don't look much better, if you don't have the capabilities to do it yourself, by all means swap it out. A new motor with and old tranny might be an issue down the road so proceed with caution. Ona side note I've seen engines with more sludge than that, rebuilt the upper end and it ran for a long time after that.
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Try Seafoam........ May have to do it a few times. Then after you do that change the oil and run Rotela motor oil with 1 bottle of lucas oil stabilizer and after 1,500 miles Seafoam it again and change the oil one more time.

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Originally Posted by FANGS99
Try Seafoam........ May have to do it a few times. Then after you do that change the oil and run Rotela motor oil with 1 bottle of lucas oil stabilizer and after 1,500 miles Seafoam it again and change the oil one more time.
He could just run trans fluid in place of motor oil and let it idle until warm and it would take a lot of crap out. It is heavy in detergents. I have heard of some using 1 or 2 quarts on top of their oil change to flush crap out. Some places even "de-sludge" motors I've read.

IDK...

If if was me, I'd do trans fluid or diesel fuel and let it idle, knock the crap out, and see what happens. $5300 is a lot for a used truck IMO, but I don't know how much in love the Op is with his truck or the condition. I know if it was me, I'd do a built motor
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Yea, if it were me, I do a built motor too.
Stock crank, manley rods, Diamond Pistons (9.5:1 compression)
FRPP ported/updated heads,ARP head studs, FRPP hot rod cams....... Save for a whipple.


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