heres a pic of all 5.4 timing marks
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02-28-2012, 08:08 AM
#2
Senior Member
Its funny you should post this today as I was searching for a while for it as I re-built my 2005 timing gear last night!
Worked a treat! Its strange how the old chain was fitted with the dark links nowhere near the timing marks? I also found both tensioner seals had blown our in exactly the same place, I am thinking this caused the chains to slacken off, be a bit noisy and perhaps jump on the cogs, luckily, I didn't lose timing too much, but one cam was definately off by a tooth!
Worked a treat! Its strange how the old chain was fitted with the dark links nowhere near the timing marks? I also found both tensioner seals had blown our in exactly the same place, I am thinking this caused the chains to slacken off, be a bit noisy and perhaps jump on the cogs, luckily, I didn't lose timing too much, but one cam was definately off by a tooth!
02-28-2012, 09:22 AM
#3
Wow good job!!
But you reused those old phasers :s
Glad it worked out
But you reused those old phasers :s
Glad it worked out
02-28-2012, 09:29 AM
#4
Also your proof of the tesioners being failed is similar to what I have found on these engines, and I been saying it all along.
Phaser noise can be caused by low oil pressure, and often dealers say these engines are junk to to "sludge and low oil pressure"
How can this engine have proper oil pressure when the timing chain tensioner seals dry up, blow out and **** oil.....
It cant...
so many of you that have changed your phasers and still get phaser noise, I bet its your chain tensioners, DONT JUST CHANGE THE PHASERS AND TENSIONERS!!
These long chains stretch LOTS and the guides wear and can actually break.
If you have noise, take it apart and replace. Phasers, Chains, Guides, Tensioners... its like 350$ in aftermarket parts guys.... just do it!
Dont cheap out, you will have restored oil pressure, and the bad sounds that were timing related should be GONE!
Ive said this in a few posts before and will continue to say it every time i see a thread like this till its common knowlege.
Please while you have the valve covers off, check for pumped down lifters and back rockers or rollers too.
They also go bad.
Once again, good job on the repair, and congrats on doing it right!!
Phaser noise can be caused by low oil pressure, and often dealers say these engines are junk to to "sludge and low oil pressure"
How can this engine have proper oil pressure when the timing chain tensioner seals dry up, blow out and **** oil.....
It cant...
so many of you that have changed your phasers and still get phaser noise, I bet its your chain tensioners, DONT JUST CHANGE THE PHASERS AND TENSIONERS!!
These long chains stretch LOTS and the guides wear and can actually break.
If you have noise, take it apart and replace. Phasers, Chains, Guides, Tensioners... its like 350$ in aftermarket parts guys.... just do it!
Dont cheap out, you will have restored oil pressure, and the bad sounds that were timing related should be GONE!
Ive said this in a few posts before and will continue to say it every time i see a thread like this till its common knowlege.
Please while you have the valve covers off, check for pumped down lifters and back rockers or rollers too.
They also go bad.
Once again, good job on the repair, and congrats on doing it right!!
02-28-2012, 10:02 AM
#5
Senior Member
Well.....despite putting the front cover back on etc I have decided I am going to change the phasers! I was being a cheapskate and was thinking that if I have solved the tick etc then I don't mond taking the valve covers off again........but if I have fixed it.....I don't ever want to take that passenger cover off again!!!
So, when I collect my new rockers tonight, i'll get a pair a phasers too!
Thanks for the reply and agree that these engines whilst really good when working well, have issues and Ford have found a way to avoid the responsibility in most cases.
Based on the amount of work to strip the thing down just to access the timing gear I can understand why the labour cost is so high, even master techs can only work so fast on these things!
So, when I collect my new rockers tonight, i'll get a pair a phasers too!
Thanks for the reply and agree that these engines whilst really good when working well, have issues and Ford have found a way to avoid the responsibility in most cases.
Based on the amount of work to strip the thing down just to access the timing gear I can understand why the labour cost is so high, even master techs can only work so fast on these things!
02-28-2012, 10:23 AM
#6
but you did it right, and you will get a nice long service life.
Double check all your bolts are tight on tesioners, guides a phasers.
I like using blue loctite on all bolts inside timing case.
Double check all your bolts are tight on tesioners, guides a phasers.
I like using blue loctite on all bolts inside timing case.
02-28-2012, 11:15 AM
#7
2005 XLT F150
Thread Starter
I will. Be doing the same exact thing I'm gonna keep my truck for a long time. The only vehicle I like very much and versatile. I think my tensioners r blown also I removed the seal for vct. The chain was slack on both sides. And sometimes rattles on start up. Thx for the pics of blown tensioners. Now I see.... ill spend the 400 for a long service life.
Where a good cheaper place to get .. the :
Tensioners
Guides
Chains
Phasers
Where a good cheaper place to get .. the :
Tensioners
Guides
Chains
Phasers
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02-28-2012, 11:33 AM
#8
Senior Member
Well, I just went to my local Ford garage here in Houston (Katy).....I did a search for Ford OEM online and it was cheaper but I needed to start on the work straight away. They did give me 15% discount on all parts which helps!
In all I have changed
24 lash adjusters - $220
24 rockers - $240
Chains - $47 each
Lower sprocket - $30
Tensioners - $40 each
Guides - $120
Phasers - $300
VCT solenoids - $220
solenoid seals - $18
Oil - $40
Filter - $12
Serpentine belt - $32
Not cheap, but you don't want to strip this front of this engine down too many times!
The power steering pump has to come off, the power steering reservoir bracket is a nightmare to get off. AC has be be de-pressured to remove passenger valve cover.
If you want more pics let me know
In all I have changed
24 lash adjusters - $220
24 rockers - $240
Chains - $47 each
Lower sprocket - $30
Tensioners - $40 each
Guides - $120
Phasers - $300
VCT solenoids - $220
solenoid seals - $18
Oil - $40
Filter - $12
Serpentine belt - $32
Not cheap, but you don't want to strip this front of this engine down too many times!
The power steering pump has to come off, the power steering reservoir bracket is a nightmare to get off. AC has be be de-pressured to remove passenger valve cover.
If you want more pics let me know
02-28-2012, 11:36 AM
#10
ROCK AUTO
Timing Chain Set
Part # 90391SB ($189.00 both chains, tesioners, guides, lower sprocket) Made by Cloves... Very nice quality
Front Crank Seal
Part # TCS46117 ($5.36) Fel-Pro
Cam Phasers
Part # 917250 ($139.19 each so X2) Comes with new bolt
$474.36 total.... Dont forget about the 5% off rock auto too
You can buy a cheaper timing kit from a "no name" company but for 40$ more the cloves is nice. I have also seen the phasers for $119.00
Timing Chain Set
Part # 90391SB ($189.00 both chains, tesioners, guides, lower sprocket) Made by Cloves... Very nice quality
Front Crank Seal
Part # TCS46117 ($5.36) Fel-Pro
Cam Phasers
Part # 917250 ($139.19 each so X2) Comes with new bolt
$474.36 total.... Dont forget about the 5% off rock auto too
You can buy a cheaper timing kit from a "no name" company but for 40$ more the cloves is nice. I have also seen the phasers for $119.00
