gforceman

Since u have it opened up replace all components. Or. Just replaceTensioners and guides. Leave chains in place .. if you have high mileage. Chains do stretch and if phazers are original. Replace everything. . .. chains tensioners guides crank sprocket. Phazers. Rock auto. Com has a timing kit. In clues all except phazers ... kit is 187.00. I'm about to do what I just mentioned above

s_vares

Amen.

Its about 3 hours more work to change everthing, but so worth it.
Dont have to worry about it and engine is ready for another 200,000

slghtr2000

I am in the process of doing the phasers, and the whole timing kit with chains and tensioners etc. How easy is it to tell if the lash adjuster is bad or has pumped down? Is it movable by hand if its bad? Thank you

s_vares

you will be able to move the rocker freely if its pumped down.
its hard to tell on them, if its collapsed then replace it. when in doubt, replace all.

slghtr2000

Thank you they all seem good. I can't budge them. The seals on the tensioners were trash and drivers side chain was tight on inside half and pretty loose on outside half. Was slapping the cover pretty good on that side

s_vares

Good job, looks like you found the problem.
You will feel much better doing it yourself.

If you read my tips, you will see i like to use a dab of blue loctite on all bolts INSIDE the timing cover. Just extra insurance that they will stay put

Primo

Ok, well I am halfway through. got all the covers off and old chains tensioners ect. pulled out. Will bgin reinstall in the morning. Quite a project as i am no mechanic, just a guy who fixes things when they are broke. It has taken me a day and a half to this point.

observations so far : got the left side cover off without unhooking ac. to do this I pulled the battery and battery holder then unbolted the accumulater and any associated line mounts. Then I pulled everything up and back until i got clearence. I am sure putting the cover back on will be just as big a pain in the a**.

My chains were looose and the tensioners shot but no damage was done. The seals on the tensioners were completely flattend out. The bolts were tight, probaly tourqued down too tight at the factory.

The cams an followers all appear to be in good shape and I can't move the followers down so I hope this means the lash adjusters are good

Truck has 165,000 on it and I have owned it since new. In preperation for this project I did and autorx flush beginning about 6,000 miles ago. Now I don't know if this stuff is snake oil or not but the engine is absoulutly clean. I was very surprised by this. I have always used mobil 1 but was not diligent enough about oil changes. Will be from now on.

Not sure about this but my old crank sprocket just slid right off and the new one easily slides back on the crank? Does not appear to be any damage to the crank or key? I at least expected this to be a tap fit.

I will post final results in a day or two

Primo

S_Vares,

Ran into a little problem, The rh chain guide that came in the cloyes kit is a little different. It did not come withe the top bolt bushing, so I popped the bushing out of the old one and noticed that the molded plastic depth setting for the bushing on the new cloyes guide is much lower than the original guide. The left guide is ok but both are stamped 2v while my origanals are stamped 2v/3v. Have you noticed this? As much as I hate to I am probably going to put the old guide back in cause I just don't trust the way the bushing sits in the new one. If this guide came with a shorter bushing than I think the factory bolt would be too long.

Thanks

s_vares

I have not had a problem with the cloves kit before, I do remember the guides looking a little different.
Did you use Part # 9-0391SB?
Maybe call cloves and ask them. Otherwise, reusing the old one is not the end of the world, but it shouldnt be nescessary.

Primo

There was in fact a smaller bushing, it had fallen out and into the open bag of the tensioners. I found it while installing the tensoiners. The cloyes kit is fine just my oversight.

thanks again for your help