debating on selling. would like your thoughts
11-06-2014, 06:24 PM
#11
I have to disagree with Corey_lax on one thing. It's not a good idea to let the timing problems go. For a lot of people, the phasers are making noise because of reduced oil pressure. No matter how many people have gotten lucky and their motor has survived under these conditions, running the motor with lower oil pressure will mess something up if it's not taking care of.
Since the motors don't have cam bearings, if your cam isn't getting proper oil, damage can occur that is not easily repaired.
The phasers will still function for a while even when they are making the diesel noise, but eventually they will completely fail also.
The chain tensioners operate by way of oil pressure. A failure in tensioner seals is the most common reason for the phasers to fail because of the reduced oil pressure. When they fail, the chain slackens, which will cause the chain to slap against the guides and timing cover. This causes bits of plastic and metal throughout the motor which can exacerbate the oil pressure issue by blocking ports and the pick up.
Sorry for the novel, I just don't think it's wise to let it go.
Since the motors don't have cam bearings, if your cam isn't getting proper oil, damage can occur that is not easily repaired.
The phasers will still function for a while even when they are making the diesel noise, but eventually they will completely fail also.
The chain tensioners operate by way of oil pressure. A failure in tensioner seals is the most common reason for the phasers to fail because of the reduced oil pressure. When they fail, the chain slackens, which will cause the chain to slap against the guides and timing cover. This causes bits of plastic and metal throughout the motor which can exacerbate the oil pressure issue by blocking ports and the pick up.
Sorry for the novel, I just don't think it's wise to let it go.
Yeah I think I will get the work done. Parts are supposed to be here tomorrow.
I called a mechanic today who is highly recommended. He told me that once you hear phasers and a chain rattle even a second on start-up....that the motor will need to be replaced at some point. He told me that even replacing parts wont be enough. Damage to heads and cams are already done. He said he charges 3k to do spark plugs. Basically he doesnt want anything to do with the 3v.
I guess im looking at it this way. If replacing the timing components will get me another 50k then I should probably go that route. I would like to know how many miles people are getting after phasers and tensioners are replaced.
11-06-2014, 07:01 PM
#12
Senior Member
Yeah I think I will get the work done. Parts are supposed to be here tomorrow. I called a mechanic today who is highly recommended. He told me that once you hear phasers and a chain rattle even a second on start-up....that the motor will need to be replaced at some point. He told me that even replacing parts wont be enough. Damage to heads and cams are already done. He said he charges 3k to do spark plugs. Basically he doesnt want anything to do with the 3v. I guess im looking at it this way. If replacing the timing components will get me another 50k then I should probably go that route. I would like to know how many miles people are getting after phasers and tensioners are replaced.
11-06-2014, 07:06 PM
#13
Senior Member
Agreed^^ some charge 3k for the timing, so I assumed that's what you meant. I wouldn't go so far as to say the motor needs to be replaced. A lot of mechanics just say that to cover their ***** incase something else is wrong so they don't get blamed or have to pay for a new motor.
11-06-2014, 07:29 PM
#14
Senior Member
Agreed^^ some charge 3k for the timing, so I assumed that's what you meant. I wouldn't go so far as to say the motor needs to be replaced. A lot of mechanics just say that to cover their ***** incase something else is wrong so they don't get blamed or have to pay for a new motor.
11-06-2014, 08:01 PM
#15
Not trying to justify what this mechanic said but he mentioned that more than likely there are metal shaving already in oil passages.
Also saying 3k for a spark plug change is his way of pricing himself out of working on them. I agree you should be shot if you paid this price for plugs
Once my parts get in I will have the work done. I will have new phasers chains tensioners vct solenoids and new vc gaskets for 680.00. I shopped another "reputable" mechanic and he told me 1000.00 for labor. He hasn't seen the trucks come back.
I will know more once its opened up. From what I have heard....mechanics have seen their fair share of these engines. Ford should be ashamed of themselves.
Also saying 3k for a spark plug change is his way of pricing himself out of working on them. I agree you should be shot if you paid this price for plugs
Once my parts get in I will have the work done. I will have new phasers chains tensioners vct solenoids and new vc gaskets for 680.00. I shopped another "reputable" mechanic and he told me 1000.00 for labor. He hasn't seen the trucks come back.
I will know more once its opened up. From what I have heard....mechanics have seen their fair share of these engines. Ford should be ashamed of themselves.
11-07-2014, 09:22 PM
#19
Okay. Well I wanted to try something today so I changed the oil to a 10w30 to see if it made a difference. Answer....nope. Its supposed to get down to near zero next week. Hopefully 10w30 isnt too thick
11-07-2014, 10:36 PM
#20
Yeah I think I will get the work done. Parts are supposed to be here tomorrow.
I called a mechanic today who is highly recommended. He told me that once you hear phasers and a chain rattle even a second on start-up....that the motor will need to be replaced at some point. He told me that even replacing parts wont be enough. Damage to heads and cams are already done. He said he charges 3k to do spark plugs. Basically he doesnt want anything to do with the 3v.
I guess im looking at it this way. If replacing the timing components will get me another 50k then I should probably go that route. I would like to know how many miles people are getting after phasers and tensioners are replaced.