Cluster swap revisited
03-25-2010, 10:51 AM
#21
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And of course the compass and temp displays do not show anything, as this was not a feature of the STX models.
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dualfuel (06-14-2016)
03-25-2010, 03:10 PM
#22
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Nice. All we need now is a electrically savvy guy to chase those wires and address those functions for the perfect cluster upgrade. Who here is up for it? (e-lectricity scare dis caveman)
03-25-2010, 05:01 PM
#23
The dome light does not come on when the door is opened, the "door ajar" does not appear in the display box (although this may not be a feature in the FX truck models as well), and there is no chime if I leave my headlights on with the engine off and the key in or out of the ignition.
And of course the compass and temp displays do not show anything, as this was not a feature of the STX models.
And of course the compass and temp displays do not show anything, as this was not a feature of the STX models.
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dualfuel (06-14-2016)
03-26-2010, 06:49 AM
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My guess for the compass/temp reading would be yes, they should work, as you had this in your other cluster. My STX "standard" cab does not have the compass feature (big box behind the rear view mirror), and the harness from the fuse panel to cluster (for the temp reading) is also not pre-wired.
Your map lights will work (switches on the overhead light), and the dome light does work when I shut the engine off (15 second delay) along with the cargo lamp. It just doesn't work when I first open the door....
I bought a rear view mirror off of Ebay that has a compass display built into the rear view mirror glass itself. All I had to do is run the power and ground tucked inside the headliner, in the a-pilar cover (passenger side) to the fuse panel for power (ground to a mounting bolt).
IMO, this is where the compass should display, and not in the cluster anyhow.
Your map lights will work (switches on the overhead light), and the dome light does work when I shut the engine off (15 second delay) along with the cargo lamp. It just doesn't work when I first open the door....
I bought a rear view mirror off of Ebay that has a compass display built into the rear view mirror glass itself. All I had to do is run the power and ground tucked inside the headliner, in the a-pilar cover (passenger side) to the fuse panel for power (ground to a mounting bolt).
IMO, this is where the compass should display, and not in the cluster anyhow.
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dualfuel (06-14-2016)
03-26-2010, 07:03 AM
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I just never pursued this fix.
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dualfuel (06-14-2016)
03-29-2010, 12:36 AM
#26
After reading this I ordered a Lariat Cluster for my XLT. I did it cause mine was messing up and not seen my milage in like 8 months... Hope'n all the functions work with mine...
The Stealership said I would have to have it programmed for the PATS to work... glad to hear that is all a bunch of bs...
Guess now just wait till new cluster shows up.... thanks man for all your efforts.
The Stealership said I would have to have it programmed for the PATS to work... glad to hear that is all a bunch of bs...
Guess now just wait till new cluster shows up.... thanks man for all your efforts.
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dualfuel (06-14-2016)
03-29-2010, 01:04 AM
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well realised i was looking at 2 different things on this page... I was looking at the FX4 info and ordered a Lariat... dang.. now to find a FX4 or just go back to the XLT. I may find the wire to splice and have dome lights..
03-29-2010, 07:44 AM
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As stated in my writeup, that Lariat cluster is not going to allow your AC compressor to work. Lariat and King Ranch clusters have this problem, due to the Auto Climate Control feature. The AC yellow lamp will light up on the dash, but the AC clutch is not engauging.
03-31-2010, 10:45 PM
#29
I am thinking the power is not going thru the guages, the switch is hot, hince the lighted light. So makes me wonder which wire is the ac "hot" wire and which is the ac "trigger" wire... If those 2 could be connected prior to cluster the clutch should work. Same with dome lamp, some where the trigger comes in and is not "leaving" the cluster. I now own a Lariat and working XLT cluster.
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dualfuel (06-14-2016)
05-30-2010, 12:32 AM
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Cluster swap A/C FIX by Master Tech
Update in case this comes up in a "search".... I discovered that the Lariat and King Ranch trucks are the only models equipped with "automatic climate control". Because of this, if you put a Lariat or King Ranch cluster in any othor Ford truck model (I.E. XL, STX, XLT, or FX4), the AC compressor will not activate when you press the AC button on the dash (manual climate control models). The orange lamp on the AC button face lights, but the AC compressor is not "on". This is aparently due to the Lariat models having a seperate display on the dash (programed through the cluster) for inside temperature reading, as well as they have a cabin temp probe in the dash (to the right of the steering column; horizontal slots in the dash). It enables/disables the AC compressor based on the temperature setting you set for the AC or heat range. The XL, STX, and FX4 models do not have this. Some folks have reported having the slots in their dash, but the temp probe is not there; only "fully" equipped on Lariat and King Ranch models.
So, any cluster from any model can be used in any 2004 to 2008 except the Lariat and King Ranch; a Lariat or King Ranch cluster can only be used in a Lariat or King Ranch. A cluster from an FX4 or XLT are the best choice for STX models. You could install an XL or STX cluster in an FX4 or XLT, but you'd loose the tach; why you'd want to do that would be beyond me, unless you were wanting to show a lower mileage display. Can you say fraud?!?
If you were to install a Lariat or King Ranch cluster in a model other than a Lariat or King Ranch, all the gauges and icon cluster lamps will work, but your manual AC will not (AC compressor will not activate).
So, any cluster from any model can be used in any 2004 to 2008 except the Lariat and King Ranch; a Lariat or King Ranch cluster can only be used in a Lariat or King Ranch. A cluster from an FX4 or XLT are the best choice for STX models. You could install an XL or STX cluster in an FX4 or XLT, but you'd loose the tach; why you'd want to do that would be beyond me, unless you were wanting to show a lower mileage display. Can you say fraud?!?
If you were to install a Lariat or King Ranch cluster in a model other than a Lariat or King Ranch, all the gauges and icon cluster lamps will work, but your manual AC will not (AC compressor will not activate).
I have done the swap on my screw xlt with a lariat cluster and fixed the A/C problem. Here goes... the cluster has a microprocessor in it, when you turn on the a/c on the xlt model the power signal goes from the switch to the cluster then to the PCM and the PCM grounds the a/c relay under the hood which turns on the compressor. The Lariat has automatic air so the processor in the cluster is differant, that where the problem is, to fix this all you need to do is cut the pink wire with yellow at the relay box under hood on left inner fender well, its the small relay closest to left headlamp. Now install a lighted switch (I mounted mine next to lighter plug) and wire it to a relay, the relay will ground the pink with yellow wire at at a/c relay under hood. I got the power from the same relay under hood (red with yellow) because its powered with key on, so your compressor wont stay powered when you key is off. I have tested and all is working good, I dont turn the added switch off when I turn the truck off because both relays are only powered when key is on, the only time I turn it off is when I want the A/C off.
Now if you want to reinstall the orignal cluster for some reason
simply disconnect the relay at the pink with yellow wire and rehook that wire to stock.
ANY QUESTIONS?? HOPE THIS HELPS.
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