Synthetic oil war
03-29-2012, 10:39 AM
#23
I had a VW GTI in which I used different viscosities and brands of Syn at the same time. Switched brands. Switched between syn and dino. At 250K miles, it still didn't used a drop of oil between 5K changes. IMO that is an old wives tale.
03-29-2012, 10:54 AM
#24
As far as quality, performance, oil life, and track record, I'd say Amsoil would take the cake. However, there are many others out there that are able to compete with little issue.
Personally though, just go with the Motorcraft oil that Ford recommends.
Personally though, just go with the Motorcraft oil that Ford recommends.
03-29-2012, 11:22 AM
#25
Originally Posted by Jax123
Us 'old schoolers' all remember, because it was the cheapest, that everyone used to use Quaker State . Then, about every 20,000 miles, had to scrape off the gunk that had accumulated in the heads and in the bottom of the pan.
I am sure that the new generation product is just fine. But unfortunately, the old reputation still lingers.
This problem never existed for those who used Pennzoil.
It was sludged up so bad they had to rebuild it from scratch.
03-29-2012, 02:40 PM
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03-29-2012, 03:38 PM
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For those that have been sleeping for a few years Pennzoil, Quaker State, Shell Rotella T and several other brands are all made in the same refinery using the same formula for the same type and weight of motor oil - they are all owned by Royal Dutch Shell.
So if you believe the nonsense that Pennzoil is better than Quaker State, or vice versa, I'll call you Rip VanWinkle.
And way back when, Castrol was made out of castor beans = castor oil - the original synthetic. But now Castrol is just like any other major oil company - their motor oils are made from vegetable oil (synthetic), petroleum (dino), or a blend. Like all synthetics, their Edge Syntec is made out of vegetable oil, but perhaps no longer made exclusively from castor bean oil.
So if you believe the nonsense that Pennzoil is better than Quaker State, or vice versa, I'll call you Rip VanWinkle.
And way back when, Castrol was made out of castor beans = castor oil - the original synthetic. But now Castrol is just like any other major oil company - their motor oils are made from vegetable oil (synthetic), petroleum (dino), or a blend. Like all synthetics, their Edge Syntec is made out of vegetable oil, but perhaps no longer made exclusively from castor bean oil.
03-29-2012, 04:03 PM
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Total Quartz 9000:
http://www.ecstuning.com/ES261535/
It looks and even smells like virgin olive oil. In a pinch, you can use it on your pasta. It's that good.
I still put Mobil 1 EP 5w-20 in my truck, though.
http://www.ecstuning.com/ES261535/
It looks and even smells like virgin olive oil. In a pinch, you can use it on your pasta. It's that good.
I still put Mobil 1 EP 5w-20 in my truck, though.
03-29-2012, 04:26 PM
#29
For US available true synthetics, Redline is by far my favorite. Easily as high quality as Amsoil, without all the multi level marketing sales hype.
Mobil 1 used to be a 'true' synthetic across their product line, but no longer. They are now the same 'ultra-refined-crude-oil' type synthetics (group III) as every other major US brand, though I think a very few of their oils (rumor is their diesel engine and motorcycle synthetics) are still 100% synthetic base stock.
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03-29-2012, 04:41 PM
#30
For those that have been sleeping for a few years Pennzoil, Quaker State, Shell Rotella T and several other brands are all made in the same refinery using the same formula for the same type and weight of motor oil - they are all owned by Royal Dutch Shell.
So if you believe the nonsense that Pennzoil is better than Quaker State, or vice versa, I'll call you Rip VanWinkle.
And way back when, Castrol was made out of castor beans = castor oil - the original synthetic. But now Castrol is just like any other major oil company - their motor oils are made from vegetable oil (synthetic), petroleum (dino), or a blend. Like all synthetics, their Edge Syntec is made out of vegetable oil, but perhaps no longer made exclusively from castor bean oil.
So if you believe the nonsense that Pennzoil is better than Quaker State, or vice versa, I'll call you Rip VanWinkle.
And way back when, Castrol was made out of castor beans = castor oil - the original synthetic. But now Castrol is just like any other major oil company - their motor oils are made from vegetable oil (synthetic), petroleum (dino), or a blend. Like all synthetics, their Edge Syntec is made out of vegetable oil, but perhaps no longer made exclusively from castor bean oil.
First, even if Royal Dutch Shell owns many major brands, the formulations and additives are still different. I do agree that the functional difference between some commodity non-synth or semi-synth oil in a modern auto is virtually non existant. When you start getting into motorcycles with wet clutches, or classic cars with tolerances much different than modern vehicles, the additives (zinc, friction modifiers, detergents, etc) start to make a much bigger difference.
Second, being synthetic is more than being made out of something other than crude oil. Squeezing castor seeds to make an oil (the origins of Castor Oil) is definitely different than synthesizing polymers that might have had some plant origins.
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