Installing Ford OEM HID's....HELP!!!
07-26-2014, 11:52 AM
#71
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07-26-2014, 12:28 PM
#72
Senior Member
Thread Starter
Another question going back to something I said previously. I was checking for power to the harness. When doing this, the first connector in the harness lit up my test light but the other 5? Did not light up. Is this an issue? Can it have something to do with the ground?
07-26-2014, 01:13 PM
#73
Senior Member
Read the owners manual/maintenance manual. It says not to connect anything to the negative battery terminal. Connect to a metal ground instead. That's electrically the same as connecting to battery terminal and passing thru the ring.
To be absolutely safe you could connect to the battery ground wire where it connects to the body/frame.
To be absolutely safe you could connect to the battery ground wire where it connects to the body/frame.
07-26-2014, 01:31 PM
#74
Read the owners manual/maintenance manual. It says not to connect anything to the negative battery terminal. Connect to a metal ground instead. That's electrically the same as connecting to battery terminal and passing thru the ring. To be absolutely safe you could connect to the battery ground wire where it connects to the body/frame.
Think before you speak, or type in this instance. Seems to be a skill most people (you included) lack.
Do NOT connect anything to the negative terminal on the battery unless you want a deal battery.
[MENTION=164171]Feathermerchant[/MENTION] go do whatever the hell you please with your truck, but don't misinform honest people because of your stupidity.
07-26-2014, 06:04 PM
#76
Again, think before you post. Do some research. 20 seconds of looking could land you this: http://youtu.be/rdjuBAvHE
Notice how neither of the grounds are on the battery terminal. You couldn't even get both of them to reach the terminal and the headlights the way the harness is designed. Have you ever even looked at an HID harness before?
It's funny that you're providing "advise" on something you know nothing about.
Yours truly,
Smartypants
Notice how neither of the grounds are on the battery terminal. You couldn't even get both of them to reach the terminal and the headlights the way the harness is designed. Have you ever even looked at an HID harness before?
It's funny that you're providing "advise" on something you know nothing about.
Yours truly,
Smartypants
07-26-2014, 06:48 PM
#77
Senior Member
Hmm Youtube says that video does not exist.
Anyway it is a Hall effect sensor that measures current flow. The control system can use that information to determine the state of charge of the battery. If the battery charge gets too low, the system starts shedding load (turning things off) to try to get the battery charged to a higher state.
So if you bypass the hall effect sensor by connecting something to the minus terminal of the battery AND bypass the ring (meaning you don't put the wire thru it) the system will not measure the state of charge properly. As far as the admonition to not connect anything to the negative terminal but to some other ground, that just insures that the system will account properly for the accessory.
So like I said, You can connect to the terminal if you pass the wire thru the ring. If that bothers you, don't do it. Just connect it to a known good ground. Like the other end of the battery ground wire.
The OP is having issues with his lights not working and we here who are actually trying to help him are doubting his ground. Probably from experience ourselves.
As for the harness length, any wire on that harness can be lengthened as necessary.
As for HID's yes I have them on my truck and they work great.
As for my qualifications, I graduated with an Electrical Engineering degree in 1979 and have been working for an electric utility for about 35 years mostly in metering.
Hall effect devices have been around a long time. I first learned about them in about 1978 when I worked for a summer as an electronics technician for an oilfield supply business.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hall_effect
Oh look the HID's are in my signature VVVVV
Anyway it is a Hall effect sensor that measures current flow. The control system can use that information to determine the state of charge of the battery. If the battery charge gets too low, the system starts shedding load (turning things off) to try to get the battery charged to a higher state.
So if you bypass the hall effect sensor by connecting something to the minus terminal of the battery AND bypass the ring (meaning you don't put the wire thru it) the system will not measure the state of charge properly. As far as the admonition to not connect anything to the negative terminal but to some other ground, that just insures that the system will account properly for the accessory.
So like I said, You can connect to the terminal if you pass the wire thru the ring. If that bothers you, don't do it. Just connect it to a known good ground. Like the other end of the battery ground wire.
The OP is having issues with his lights not working and we here who are actually trying to help him are doubting his ground. Probably from experience ourselves.
As for the harness length, any wire on that harness can be lengthened as necessary.
As for HID's yes I have them on my truck and they work great.
As for my qualifications, I graduated with an Electrical Engineering degree in 1979 and have been working for an electric utility for about 35 years mostly in metering.
Hall effect devices have been around a long time. I first learned about them in about 1978 when I worked for a summer as an electronics technician for an oilfield supply business.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hall_effect
Oh look the HID's are in my signature VVVVV
Last edited by Feathermerchant; 07-26-2014 at 06:51 PM.
07-26-2014, 07:07 PM
#78
From the shop manual.
To maintain correct operation of the load shed system, any electrical devices or equipment must be grounded to the engine or chassis ground and not the negative battery terminal. A connection to the negative battery terminal may cause an inaccurate measurement of the battery state of charge and may cause incorrect load shed system operation.
This vehicle is equipped with load shed strategy. The Body Control Module (BCM) monitors system voltage to the BCM and the Power Steering Control Module (PSCM) as well as the battery state of charge using the battery current sensor attached to the negative battery cable.
For temporary testing it shouldn't hurt but don't leave it on the battery.
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To maintain correct operation of the load shed system, any electrical devices or equipment must be grounded to the engine or chassis ground and not the negative battery terminal. A connection to the negative battery terminal may cause an inaccurate measurement of the battery state of charge and may cause incorrect load shed system operation.
This vehicle is equipped with load shed strategy. The Body Control Module (BCM) monitors system voltage to the BCM and the Power Steering Control Module (PSCM) as well as the battery state of charge using the battery current sensor attached to the negative battery cable.
For temporary testing it shouldn't hurt but don't leave it on the battery.
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07-26-2014, 07:27 PM
#79
Hmm Youtube says that video does not exist. Anyway it is a Hall effect sensor that measures current flow. The control system can use that information to determine the state of charge of the battery. If the battery charge gets too low, the system starts shedding load (turning things off) to try to get the battery charged to a higher state. So if you bypass the hall effect sensor by connecting something to the minus terminal of the battery AND bypass the ring (meaning you don't put the wire thru it) the system will not measure the state of charge properly. As far as the admonition to not connect anything to the negative terminal but to some other ground, that just insures that the system will account properly for the accessory. So like I said, You can connect to the terminal if you pass the wire thru the ring. If that bothers you, don't do it. Just connect it to a known good ground. Like the other end of the battery ground wire. The OP is having issues with his lights not working and we here who are actually trying to help him are doubting his ground. Probably from experience ourselves. As for the harness length, any wire on that harness can be lengthened as necessary. As for HID's yes I have them on my truck and they work great. As for my qualifications, I graduated with an Electrical Engineering degree in 1979 and have been working for an electric utility for about 35 years mostly in metering. Hall effect devices have been around a long time. I first learned about them in about 1978 when I worked for a summer as an electronics technician for an oilfield supply business. Video Link: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hall_effect Oh look the HID's are in my signature VVVVV
07-26-2014, 07:37 PM
#80
Senior Member
From the shop manual.
To maintain correct operation of the load shed system, any electrical devices or equipment must be grounded to the engine or chassis ground and not the negative battery terminal. A connection to the negative battery terminal may cause an inaccurate measurement of the battery state of charge and may cause incorrect load shed system operation.
This vehicle is equipped with load shed strategy. The Body Control Module (BCM) monitors system voltage to the BCM and the Power Steering Control Module (PSCM) as well as the battery state of charge using the battery current sensor attached to the negative battery cable.
For temporary testing it shouldn't hurt but don't leave it on the battery.
.
To maintain correct operation of the load shed system, any electrical devices or equipment must be grounded to the engine or chassis ground and not the negative battery terminal. A connection to the negative battery terminal may cause an inaccurate measurement of the battery state of charge and may cause incorrect load shed system operation.
This vehicle is equipped with load shed strategy. The Body Control Module (BCM) monitors system voltage to the BCM and the Power Steering Control Module (PSCM) as well as the battery state of charge using the battery current sensor attached to the negative battery cable.
For temporary testing it shouldn't hurt but don't leave it on the battery.
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