First Oil Change?
07-10-2013, 07:18 AM
#31
When to change your oil and why comes down to two and only two choices. #1 Change when the engine manufacturer and/or oil manufacturer suggest. #2 Change when your opinion tells you to do so, which is based on your education.
Choose your educators wisely.
07-10-2013, 07:55 AM
#32
I love all the different opinions on oil changes and oil/filter used and when and how often to change. 99% of owners don't put the type of wear/tear on a truck that would warrant any special oil/filter or procedure. Keep your choices simple. Change oil when you feel like it and use Motorcraft oil/filter as recommended by Ford. All these specialty oils/filters are a waste of money and will not keep your engine from having issues no more than the Motorcraft products. Your wallet, you decide!
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07-10-2013, 09:53 AM
#33
"Smarter"? No. Just a whole lot more concerned about implementing ALL the latest technological knowledge available. That takes research and years of experience (you're welcome!), even some trial-and-error. Something many engineers don't care about. Most of them are book-smart people out to make a name for themselves right out of school. (I know this first hand after spending 25 yearsworking around many of them in iron structural construction)
That's all...
That's all...
Engineering motors is not the same as engineering motor oil.
Actually, engineers could care less when you or I change our oil. Their job is to build a better product then the competition and to help Ford (or the manufacturer they represent) sell vehicles.
FORD decides the change oil interval that's suitable for their warranty, NOT ENGINEERS. And, that interval is gong to be based on what will help them sell the most vehicles. It's called marketing!!! Do you think Ford would sell enough vehicles to stay in business if they changed their marketing strategy to, "When you buy our product expect to pay a lot of money on the proper maintenance program so your vehicle will last 10 years/200K miles?" Of course not!!! They know that if they did that, the consumer will head directly to the competition who is advertising the "No maintenance program."
Manufacturers are smart. They know that most people do not take care of their vehicles. So, to capitalize on that market, manufacturers came up with that "No maintenance" or "Low maintenance" program. They want people to believe that they're going to save money because they're not paying for the maintenance as often by extending the drain intervals on all the fluids. As long as their products make it to the 3yr/36,000 mile warranty with as little warranty issues as possible, they met their goal. After that the manufacturer will make money off of you by supplying the dealers with parts necessary to repair your vehicle when it breaks down. Or, they'll make money off of you by supplying the dealer with another vehicle because you decided to buy a new car instead of dealing with the headaches that come from neglected maintenance.
At the end of day, just because your service manual says you can go however long on your oil change (or any fluid for that matter), doesn't mean that interval was designed with your best interest in mind!!
Actually, engineers could care less when you or I change our oil. Their job is to build a better product then the competition and to help Ford (or the manufacturer they represent) sell vehicles.
FORD decides the change oil interval that's suitable for their warranty, NOT ENGINEERS. And, that interval is gong to be based on what will help them sell the most vehicles. It's called marketing!!! Do you think Ford would sell enough vehicles to stay in business if they changed their marketing strategy to, "When you buy our product expect to pay a lot of money on the proper maintenance program so your vehicle will last 10 years/200K miles?" Of course not!!! They know that if they did that, the consumer will head directly to the competition who is advertising the "No maintenance program."
Manufacturers are smart. They know that most people do not take care of their vehicles. So, to capitalize on that market, manufacturers came up with that "No maintenance" or "Low maintenance" program. They want people to believe that they're going to save money because they're not paying for the maintenance as often by extending the drain intervals on all the fluids. As long as their products make it to the 3yr/36,000 mile warranty with as little warranty issues as possible, they met their goal. After that the manufacturer will make money off of you by supplying the dealers with parts necessary to repair your vehicle when it breaks down. Or, they'll make money off of you by supplying the dealer with another vehicle because you decided to buy a new car instead of dealing with the headaches that come from neglected maintenance.
At the end of day, just because your service manual says you can go however long on your oil change (or any fluid for that matter), doesn't mean that interval was designed with your best interest in mind!!
So engineers don't care about longevity or reliability? So what do they do? build trucks that last only 3/36 and that's it? It must be true because you stated that as fact and I've noticed all the 3 yr old trucks in the junkyards.
Because saying it's dirty is subjective. There is no quantitative or qualitative comparison involved. It's pure opinion that it is dirty and needs to be changed.
When to change your oil and why comes down to two and only two choices. #1 Change when the engine manufacturer and/or oil manufacturer suggest. #2 Change when your opinion tells you to do so, which is based on your education.
Choose your educators wisely.
When to change your oil and why comes down to two and only two choices. #1 Change when the engine manufacturer and/or oil manufacturer suggest. #2 Change when your opinion tells you to do so, which is based on your education.
Choose your educators wisely.
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BCMIF150 (07-10-2013)
07-10-2013, 10:19 AM
#34
Take a moment and breath. You misunderstood what I said. If you objectively analyze it with testing via a uoa that of course isn't subjective. That's not what people are doing when they say its dirty and its not what I was saying.
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07-10-2013, 10:27 AM
#35
The old saying is... when the oil turns from a light gold/brown color to a dark brown or black color.... it's time to change your oil. While this is true to some aspects, a UOA is the only way you will know for sure how well your oil is holding up.
Diesel, completely different animal it's usually black within the first 50-100 miles after an oil change.
Diesel, completely different animal it's usually black within the first 50-100 miles after an oil change.
07-10-2013, 10:37 AM
#36
They're lying. Go somewhere else. They're just saying that because the first oil is usually free. You will not hurt, damage, or destroy your engine in any way if you change the oil at 600 miles.
07-10-2013, 10:50 AM
#37
They're not lying and they never mentioned it would damage or destroy his engine. They said it was not recommended.
I got 6 free oil services when I bought my truck. They recommended I bring it in when the service light came on but didn't care if I brought it in earlier.
[MENTION=36211]kydsid[/MENTION] - It just amazes me how people spew out obviously wrong info on these boards thinking they're experts and know more than the engineers that built these trucks. "Well, I've been doing this for 70 yrs so I know what I'm talking about" is such bull****. They don't take into account that oil technology is different than 10 yrs ago. They've never had their oil analyzed but they're experts and everyone NEEDS to change their oil every 3k miles.
I've had my oil analyzed from my M3 at 5k, 7500 and 10k miles and they all came back good. At 10k miles, Blackstone labs said I had at least 4k more miles left in the oil. That was stretching my comfort level so I changed it every 10-12k miles. The M3 took 7qts of oil. My 4runner took about 7qts too so I stuck with the 10k oil change intervals. My 5.4L takes about 7qts so I'm sticking with the 10-12k OCI.
I'm not an engineer but I have 30 yrs experience with motors and I stayed at a Holiday Inn Express.
I got 6 free oil services when I bought my truck. They recommended I bring it in when the service light came on but didn't care if I brought it in earlier.
[MENTION=36211]kydsid[/MENTION] - It just amazes me how people spew out obviously wrong info on these boards thinking they're experts and know more than the engineers that built these trucks. "Well, I've been doing this for 70 yrs so I know what I'm talking about" is such bull****. They don't take into account that oil technology is different than 10 yrs ago. They've never had their oil analyzed but they're experts and everyone NEEDS to change their oil every 3k miles.
I've had my oil analyzed from my M3 at 5k, 7500 and 10k miles and they all came back good. At 10k miles, Blackstone labs said I had at least 4k more miles left in the oil. That was stretching my comfort level so I changed it every 10-12k miles. The M3 took 7qts of oil. My 4runner took about 7qts too so I stuck with the 10k oil change intervals. My 5.4L takes about 7qts so I'm sticking with the 10-12k OCI.
I'm not an engineer but I have 30 yrs experience with motors and I stayed at a Holiday Inn Express.
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BCMIF150 (07-10-2013)
07-10-2013, 11:52 AM
#38
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I know two coworkers that swear by the oil life monitor. Albeit both have GM products (Chevy Traverse and GMC Acadia) and they are both on their second engine. One cut loose just under 30,000 miles and the other at 68,000. The Traverse owner routinely put 10,000+ miles on the oil before the OLM read 0%. Maybe a fluke but I'll never trust it.
Oh, and I am an engineer but I stick to Hampton Inn's.
Oh, and I am an engineer but I stick to Hampton Inn's.
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07-10-2013, 12:00 PM
#39
Senior Member
They're not lying and they never mentioned it would damage or destroy his engine. They said it was not recommended.
I got 6 free oil services when I bought my truck. They recommended I bring it in when the service light came on but didn't care if I brought it in earlier.
@kydsid - It just amazes me how people spew out obviously wrong info on these boards thinking they're experts and know more than the engineers that built these trucks. "Well, I've been doing this for 70 yrs so I know what I'm talking about" is such bull****. They don't take into account that oil technology is different than 10 yrs ago. They've never had their oil analyzed but they're experts and everyone NEEDS to change their oil every 3k miles.
I've had my oil analyzed from my M3 at 5k, 7500 and 10k miles and they all came back good. At 10k miles, Blackstone labs said I had at least 4k more miles left in the oil. That was stretching my comfort level so I changed it every 10-12k miles. The M3 took 7qts of oil. My 4runner took about 7qts too so I stuck with the 10k oil change intervals. My 5.4L takes about 7qts so I'm sticking with the 10-12k OCI.
I'm not an engineer but I have 30 yrs experience with motors and I stayed at a Holiday Inn Express.
I got 6 free oil services when I bought my truck. They recommended I bring it in when the service light came on but didn't care if I brought it in earlier.
@kydsid - It just amazes me how people spew out obviously wrong info on these boards thinking they're experts and know more than the engineers that built these trucks. "Well, I've been doing this for 70 yrs so I know what I'm talking about" is such bull****. They don't take into account that oil technology is different than 10 yrs ago. They've never had their oil analyzed but they're experts and everyone NEEDS to change their oil every 3k miles.
I've had my oil analyzed from my M3 at 5k, 7500 and 10k miles and they all came back good. At 10k miles, Blackstone labs said I had at least 4k more miles left in the oil. That was stretching my comfort level so I changed it every 10-12k miles. The M3 took 7qts of oil. My 4runner took about 7qts too so I stuck with the 10k oil change intervals. My 5.4L takes about 7qts so I'm sticking with the 10-12k OCI.
I'm not an engineer but I have 30 yrs experience with motors and I stayed at a Holiday Inn Express.
The one thing that I know for sure is that my truck will be in MUCH BETTER condition then yours when they roll 100k miles and I will have saved more money then you because I won't have to pay for repair bills like you will (hell my truck is already in better condition then yours and I haven't even changed the oil yet, lol!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!)
Last edited by FordRoushFan; 07-10-2013 at 12:17 PM.
07-10-2013, 12:15 PM
#40
Why do these threads always get off point. Theres no need for finger pointing or acting like anybody is right/wrong about changing there oil. To each his own. Whether someone wants to spend $$ on overpriced oil/filters or someone wants to change oil on the oil life monitor. It really doesn't matter. I would like to think that most truck owners know that trucks need service. Whether someone uses Walmart oil or the most expensive oil out there. Doing an oil/filter change often doesn't keep engine or truck from having issues, just read the countless threads about the EB issues/failures or 5.0 issues/failures with there trucks it had nothing to do with what oil/filter they used or how often they change there oil/filter..
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