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Old 10-01-2015, 08:35 PM
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I just did the first oil change I've ever done on my sig truck since I got it in July, at 38k today. Not used to oil being so thin! I probably could have waited another 1.5k... However, I noticed my oil smelled quite a bit like gas. After texting a friend, and doing a quick google search, it became obvious that it's something you DON'T want.

Am I just being paranoid? The truck has been running fine since I got it and had no issues what so ever, no CEL's, no nuthin' besides making me a happy EB owner. I suppose the smell isn't EXACTLY like gas, but its close enough that it smelled like gas to me almost immediately. Didn't think anything of it at the time so the oil is already gone. I did however pull my empty filter out of the dumpster and it smelled gas'ish.

Is this something unique to EB's or 5W-30 oil I'm not accustomed to?

Any input fellas?

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Unfortunatly, this is normal in all D.I. engines....
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Apparently you have never read about the fuel in oil issues with the ecoboost?

Was your oil overfull?
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Originally Posted by Toddman34
Unfortunatly, this is normal in all D.I. engines....
The smell is a little bit stronger than I'm imagining the smell might be like due to what you're mentioning. It's a pretty strong odor.

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Apparently you have never read about the fuel in oil issues with the ecoboost?

Was your oil overfull?
Only finding out about this now...I didn't measure the amount of oil that came out, just caught it. Checking the level with my dipstick isn't working very well either because my readings are sucky. The dipstick obviously hits the sides of things inside the engine that are bathed in oil...or after filling with approximately 5.2-5.6qts of oil it's well above the fill markers...
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Here is one of the TSB's

Ford TSB# 14-0014

TSB 14-0014 3.5L GTDI - FUEL ODOR FROM ENGINE OIL AND/OR ENGINE OIL LEVEL OVERFULL
Publication Date: January 20, 2014

2011-2014 F-150
ISSUE: Some 2011-2014 F-150 vehicles equipped with a 3.5L Gasoline Turbocharged Direct Injection (GTDI) engine may exhibit a raw fuel odor from the engine oil and/or an engine oil level indication overfull.


SERVICE PROCEDURE

#. Is the vehicle equipped with a heater in the thermostat housing? Refer to Workshop Manual (WSM), Section 303-03.
Yes - remove and discard the heater and cord. Refer to WSM, Section 303-03. Proceed to Step 2.
No - proceed to Step 2.

#. Remove the left hand (LH) Turbocharger. Refer to WSM, Section 303-04.

#. Install the Block Heater Kit.
Installation instructions are provided in the kit.

#. Install the LH Turbocharger. Refer to WSM, Section 303-04.

#. Change the engine oil and oil filter.

#. Replace the Positive Crankcase Ventilation Valve (PCV) . Refer to WSM, Section 303-08.

#. Determine the vehicle build date. Refer to WSM, Section 100-01.
a. If the vehicle build date is on or before 10/24/2011, proceed to Step 7.
b. If the vehicle build date is after 10/24/2011, proceed to Step 11.

#. Remove and discard brake booster vacuum hose. (Figure 1)


Figure 1 - 14-0014


#. Install the new brake booster vacuum hose. (Figure 2)


Figure 2 - 14-0014


#. Install the cap on the air intake. (Figure 2)

#. Reprogram the Anti-lock Brake System (ABS) Module to the latest calibration using IDS release 88.02A and higher.

#. Reprogram the powertrain control module (PCM) to the latest calibration using IDS release 88.02A and higher.

NOTE PLEASE ADVISE THE CUSTOMER THAT THIS VEHICLE IS EQUIPPED WITH AN ADAPTIVE TRANSMISSION SHIFT STRATEGY WHICH ALLOWS THE VEHICLE'S COMPUTER TO LEARN THE TRANSMISSION'S UNIQUE PARAMETERS AND IMPROVE SHIFT QUALITY. WHEN THE ADAPTIVE STRATEGY IS RESET, THE COMPUTER WILL BEGIN A RE-LEARNING PROCESS. THIS RE-LEARNING PROCESS MAY RESULT IN FIRMER THAN NORMAL UPSHIFTS AND DOWNSHIFTS FOR SEVERAL DAYS.

Advise the customer that the block heater should be plugged in at -15 °C (0 °F) or less to improve fuel-in-oil symptoms.

PART NUMBER PART NAME DL3Z–6D008-A Block Heater W520514-S440 Exhaust Nut (4 Req) BL3Z-6N652-B Turbo Oil Line Gasket AA5Z-00815-C Oil Line O-Ring CL3Z-9450-B Gasket - Exhaust Man AA5Z-6A666-D PCV CL3Z-9C490-B Vacuum Hose W716372-S300 Vacuum Cap W715673-S900 Bolt - Turbocharger (3 Req) VC-3-B Motorcraft® Orange Antifreeze/Coolant Concentrated FL-500S Motorcraft® Oil Filter XO-5W30-QSP Motorcraft® SAE 5W-30 Premium Synthetic Blend Motor Oil .

OPERATION DESCRIPTION TIME 140014A 2011-2014 F-150 4X2, 2013-2014 F-150 4X4 3.5L GTDI: Install Block Heater And PCV Valve Includes Time To Remove And Install Left Bank Turbo Charger, Reprogram The PCM/ABS Modules And Replace The Brake Booster Brake Booster Vacuum Hose If Necessary (Do Not Use With Any Other Labor Operations) 3.7 Hrs. 140014A 2011-2012 F-150 4X4 3.5L GTDI: Install Block Heater And PCV Valve Includes Time To Remove And Install Left Bank Turbo Charger, Reprogram The PCM/ABS Modules And Replace The Brake Booster Brake Booster Vacuum Hose If Necessary (Do Not Use With Any Other Labor Operations) 3.8 Hrs. 140014B 2011-2014 F-150 4X2, 2013-2014 F-150 4X4 3.5L GTDI: Remove Existing Block Heater Per Procedure, Install Block Heater And PCV Valve Includes Time To Remove And Install Left Bank Turbo Charger, Reprogram The PCM/ABS Modules And Replace The Brake Booster Brake Booster Vacuum Hose If Necessary (Do Not Use With Any Other Labor Operations) 3.9 Hrs. 140014B 2011-2012 F-150 4X4 3.5L GTDI: Remove Existing Block Heater Per Procedure, Install Block Heater And PCV Valve Includes Time To Remove And Install Left Bank Turbo Charger, Reprogram The PCM/ABS Modules And Replace The Brake Booster Brake Booster Vacuum Hose If Necessary (Do Not Use With Any Other Labor Operations) 4.0 Hrs.

WARRANTY STATUS

Eligible Under Provisions Of New Vehicle Limited Warranty Coverage And Emissions Warranty Coverage.
Warranty/ESP coverage limits/policies/prior approvals are not altered by a TSB. Warranty/ESP coverage limits are determined by the identified causal part and verified using the OASIS part coverage tool.

DEALER CODING

BASIC PART NO. CONDITION CODE 6A666 42
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It can also be caused by a faulty HPFP
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A faulty HPFP can certainly cause this condition, and it would be very noticeable if it was the HPFP. Unfortunately, it is also a very common condition with direct injection. I installed a catch can and it cured my gas in oil condition. The stuff the can catches reaks of gas, but pull the dipstick and there is no hint of fuel smell whatsoever.

I also installed one on my LLT V6 Camaro which is direct injection. It solved the same fuel in oil issue I had with the EB. I also have one on my '05 GTO LS2 which is port injection. I did not have the fuel in oil issue with it, but the LS2 is known for dumping quite a bit of oil back into the intake. The can does a good job of catching the oil, but it does not have the gas smell like what is caught on the two DI engines nor is of the same makeup (it is pure oil).

I know there are as many naysayers as advocates on the benefit of catch cans, and I'm not trying to start another catch can debate. But, it definitely helped reduce/eliminate the fuel in oil issue I was having on both DI engines.

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Originally Posted by Tothemax
Here is one of the TSB's

Ford TSB# 14-0014

TSB 14-0014 3.5L GTDI - FUEL ODOR FROM ENGINE OIL AND/OR ENGINE OIL LEVEL OVERFULL
Publication Date: January 20, 2014

2011-2014 F-150
ISSUE: Some 2011-2014 F-150 vehicles equipped with a 3.5L Gasoline Turbocharged Direct Injection (GTDI) engine may exhibit a raw fuel odor from the engine oil and/or an engine oil level indication overfull.


SERVICE PROCEDURE

#. Is the vehicle equipped with a heater in the thermostat housing? Refer to Workshop Manual (WSM), Section 303-03.
Yes - remove and discard the heater and cord. Refer to WSM, Section 303-03. Proceed to Step 2.
No - proceed to Step 2.

#. Remove the left hand (LH) Turbocharger. Refer to WSM, Section 303-04.

#. Install the Block Heater Kit.
Installation instructions are provided in the kit.

#. Install the LH Turbocharger. Refer to WSM, Section 303-04.

#. Change the engine oil and oil filter.

#. Replace the Positive Crankcase Ventilation Valve (PCV) . Refer to WSM, Section 303-08.

#. Determine the vehicle build date. Refer to WSM, Section 100-01.
a. If the vehicle build date is on or before 10/24/2011, proceed to Step 7.
b. If the vehicle build date is after 10/24/2011, proceed to Step 11.

#. Remove and discard brake booster vacuum hose. (Figure 1)


Figure 1 - 14-0014


#. Install the new brake booster vacuum hose. (Figure 2)


Figure 2 - 14-0014


#. Install the cap on the air intake. (Figure 2)

#. Reprogram the Anti-lock Brake System (ABS) Module to the latest calibration using IDS release 88.02A and higher.

#. Reprogram the powertrain control module (PCM) to the latest calibration using IDS release 88.02A and higher.

NOTE PLEASE ADVISE THE CUSTOMER THAT THIS VEHICLE IS EQUIPPED WITH AN ADAPTIVE TRANSMISSION SHIFT STRATEGY WHICH ALLOWS THE VEHICLE'S COMPUTER TO LEARN THE TRANSMISSION'S UNIQUE PARAMETERS AND IMPROVE SHIFT QUALITY. WHEN THE ADAPTIVE STRATEGY IS RESET, THE COMPUTER WILL BEGIN A RE-LEARNING PROCESS. THIS RE-LEARNING PROCESS MAY RESULT IN FIRMER THAN NORMAL UPSHIFTS AND DOWNSHIFTS FOR SEVERAL DAYS.

Advise the customer that the block heater should be plugged in at -15 °C (0 °F) or less to improve fuel-in-oil symptoms.

PART NUMBER PART NAME DL3Z–6D008-A Block Heater W520514-S440 Exhaust Nut (4 Req) BL3Z-6N652-B Turbo Oil Line Gasket AA5Z-00815-C Oil Line O-Ring CL3Z-9450-B Gasket - Exhaust Man AA5Z-6A666-D PCV CL3Z-9C490-B Vacuum Hose W716372-S300 Vacuum Cap W715673-S900 Bolt - Turbocharger (3 Req) VC-3-B Motorcraft® Orange Antifreeze/Coolant Concentrated FL-500S Motorcraft® Oil Filter XO-5W30-QSP Motorcraft® SAE 5W-30 Premium Synthetic Blend Motor Oil .

OPERATION DESCRIPTION TIME 140014A 2011-2014 F-150 4X2, 2013-2014 F-150 4X4 3.5L GTDI: Install Block Heater And PCV Valve Includes Time To Remove And Install Left Bank Turbo Charger, Reprogram The PCM/ABS Modules And Replace The Brake Booster Brake Booster Vacuum Hose If Necessary (Do Not Use With Any Other Labor Operations) 3.7 Hrs. 140014A 2011-2012 F-150 4X4 3.5L GTDI: Install Block Heater And PCV Valve Includes Time To Remove And Install Left Bank Turbo Charger, Reprogram The PCM/ABS Modules And Replace The Brake Booster Brake Booster Vacuum Hose If Necessary (Do Not Use With Any Other Labor Operations) 3.8 Hrs. 140014B 2011-2014 F-150 4X2, 2013-2014 F-150 4X4 3.5L GTDI: Remove Existing Block Heater Per Procedure, Install Block Heater And PCV Valve Includes Time To Remove And Install Left Bank Turbo Charger, Reprogram The PCM/ABS Modules And Replace The Brake Booster Brake Booster Vacuum Hose If Necessary (Do Not Use With Any Other Labor Operations) 3.9 Hrs. 140014B 2011-2012 F-150 4X4 3.5L GTDI: Remove Existing Block Heater Per Procedure, Install Block Heater And PCV Valve Includes Time To Remove And Install Left Bank Turbo Charger, Reprogram The PCM/ABS Modules And Replace The Brake Booster Brake Booster Vacuum Hose If Necessary (Do Not Use With Any Other Labor Operations) 4.0 Hrs.

WARRANTY STATUS

Eligible Under Provisions Of New Vehicle Limited Warranty Coverage And Emissions Warranty Coverage.
Warranty/ESP coverage limits/policies/prior approvals are not altered by a TSB. Warranty/ESP coverage limits are determined by the identified causal part and verified using the OASIS part coverage tool.

DEALER CODING

BASIC PART NO. CONDITION CODE 6A666 42
Originally Posted by Tothemax
It can also be caused by a faulty HPFP
I wish I knew what any of this meant. Could you help me understand it better?

I guess I would have expected my truck to have thrown a CEL considering how much my oil smelled of fuel...

I'm still under powertrain...

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No CEL.

HPFP is High pressure fuel pump.

Take your truck into the dealership and have them look at it.
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Originally Posted by Tothemax
No CEL.

HPFP is High pressure fuel pump.

Take your truck into the dealership and have them look at it.
I went an fished my filter out of the dumpster to I've got it on hand to show the techs. Unfortunately it was right next to some dog poop....Gas smell is still strong though...lol

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