EPAS Failure - Electric Power steering
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safetypin (01-28-2014)
#23
Senior Member
any power steering is able to fail and when it does it reverts to manual (mostly)! The reason I say this is like what the OP posted,,, he is a big guy and had to work it to turn. So a true manual steering is easier than a failed Power steering unit but still works! As for it being so hard to turn in a parking lot?? Well it comes down to speed and turn radius... Back before power steering came to be it was always a pain to park the truck but not bad at all to drive it on the road! So the same goes here,, if it goes out on the highway you will notice it but you will still be able to drive it even long distance after the loss,,,, but when it comes to parking it in a tight space,,,, Forgetaboutit!!! it is tuff! So what scares me about it???? The Cost to replace it!!!
#24
Senior Member
and BTW steering systems on vehicles today actually lesson the amount of power assist on the highway to give you the feel of the road.... without doing this you would over steer very easily thus they reduce the assist so you can get road feedback!
#25
Senior Member
Very interesting if true. Never thought about it.
#26
Senior Member
Here is some proof! This is the same as what is often called variable-assist steering. Ford had this back in the late 80's on certain models so it isn't a new system. The following comes directly from the Ford Service Manual!
Electronic Power Assist Steering(EPAS) System
The Electronic Power Assist Steering(EPAS) system provides power steering assist to the driver by replacing the conventional hydraulic valve system with an electric motor coupled to the steering rack by a toothed belt. The motor is controlled by the Power Steering Control Module (PSCM) that senses steering effort / use through an internally mounted steering shaft torque sensor. Steering assist is provided in proportion to the steering input effort and vehicle speed.
Electronic Power Assist Steering(EPAS) System
The Electronic Power Assist Steering(EPAS) system provides power steering assist to the driver by replacing the conventional hydraulic valve system with an electric motor coupled to the steering rack by a toothed belt. The motor is controlled by the Power Steering Control Module (PSCM) that senses steering effort / use through an internally mounted steering shaft torque sensor. Steering assist is provided in proportion to the steering input effort and vehicle speed.
Last edited by mamonti; 09-24-2013 at 04:00 PM.
#27
Ford Customer Service
To date - no official resolution. The dealership (Bluebonnet Motors, TX) has been terrific. They allowed me take my truck without paying while we wait for Ford to respond. This saves me a bunch of money having to rent a vehicle.
I have been told by Ford customer service directly, and the web crawlers that Ford pays to monitor this website that a resolution would be determined within two to four business days from the date that the Case number was issued. Both of those have passed, and still no word.
I have been told by Ford customer service directly, and the web crawlers that Ford pays to monitor this website that a resolution would be determined within two to four business days from the date that the Case number was issued. Both of those have passed, and still no word.
I see your CSM left you a message this evening.
Ashley
#28
Member
Variable assist power steering has been around for over 20 years, I believe the first vehicle to utilize it was the Ford Taurus with 3.8 engine mid 80's. It could have also been the Lincoln Continental when it went front wheel drive.
It boosts power steering pressure when parking and restricts it at speed for better feel of the road. Then it was strictly on hydraulic assist only, the electronic system is fairly new.
Same principle though.
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It boosts power steering pressure when parking and restricts it at speed for better feel of the road. Then it was strictly on hydraulic assist only, the electronic system is fairly new.
Same principle though.
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Last edited by RLXXI; 09-24-2013 at 05:51 PM.
#29
Senior Member
Variable assist power steering has been around for over 20 years, I believe the first vehicle to utilize it was the Ford Taurus with 3.8 engine mid 80's. It could have also been the Lincoln Continental when it went front wheel drive.
It boosts power steering pressure when parking and restricts it at speed for better feel of the road. Then it was strictly on hydraulic assist only, the electronic system is fairly new.
Same principle though.
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It boosts power steering pressure when parking and restricts it at speed for better feel of the road. Then it was strictly on hydraulic assist only, the electronic system is fairly new.
Same principle though.
.
#30
A Fair Resolution
Today I learned that Ford will pay for the part ($1,200), and I will pay for the labor ($400). That's fair in my book since the truck is outside of warranty.
Bottom line - I have owned four trucks in my lifetime (Silverado & Super Duty), and I really enjoy this eco-boost. I've loaded this truck to capacity and towed up to 10,000 Lbs without a problem. In fact, it's been fun to experiment with just how well this 6 cylinder engine can perform.
I do think the EPAS system is a poor design. Ideally you could extract the electric motor without replacing the entire rack and pinion, or Ford would invest in a more robust electric motor design.
Regardless, this failure can be frightening & dangerous when it occurs. My goal was to make F-150 consumers aware of the problem, and to secure a fair resolution with Ford. Both have been accomplished.
Bottom line - I have owned four trucks in my lifetime (Silverado & Super Duty), and I really enjoy this eco-boost. I've loaded this truck to capacity and towed up to 10,000 Lbs without a problem. In fact, it's been fun to experiment with just how well this 6 cylinder engine can perform.
I do think the EPAS system is a poor design. Ideally you could extract the electric motor without replacing the entire rack and pinion, or Ford would invest in a more robust electric motor design.
Regardless, this failure can be frightening & dangerous when it occurs. My goal was to make F-150 consumers aware of the problem, and to secure a fair resolution with Ford. Both have been accomplished.
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