Changed my mind about traction control
12-19-2014, 04:40 PM
#21
Senior Member
There was a thread covering this before. From the literature, basically it's called Trailer sway when a trailer is connected. The RSC and Traction Control are still there, but it's the same system. I believe the programming makes the RSC a little more sensitive, hence Ford calling it Trailer Sway Control. That's the only difference I've been able to find through searching this and other forums as well as the Ford literature.
12-19-2014, 05:08 PM
#22
No, I towed a badly aligned rental trailer with bump breaks, 4 connector harness. When the Sway control kicked in, it felt like the ABS and Traction Control coming on at the same time, the Whole truck vibrated like a jackhammer.
I was only towing a bobcat 5 miles, or I would have taken that deathtrap trailer back.
12-19-2014, 06:39 PM
#23
If you ever hear anybody describe a situation and follow it up with "I don't know how I didn't get in the ditch and roll it" tell them to thank the nannies. It is really easy to take the credit and think you are a good driver when you are just lucky and have good technology.
Can it be annoying? Yep. Especially in mud! But it isn't designed for the situation you are prepared for and can react to safely. It is to take the emergency situation and stop the most dangerous things from happening keeping 4 wheels on the ground. It is much better than all but the best rally drivers at keeping four on the ground.
Unless you always pay 110% attention or never drive on unfamiliar roads, it is always safer with it on. And even if you do the first two, if you are on public roads with people who don't pay attention, it can save your butt when you try to avoid them.
This reminds me of people claiming they outbrake ABS. Sure, it might be technically possible, especially 20 years ago, but most who thought they could were full of crap. Overconfidence is much more dangerous than technology.
Can it be annoying? Yep. Especially in mud! But it isn't designed for the situation you are prepared for and can react to safely. It is to take the emergency situation and stop the most dangerous things from happening keeping 4 wheels on the ground. It is much better than all but the best rally drivers at keeping four on the ground.
Unless you always pay 110% attention or never drive on unfamiliar roads, it is always safer with it on. And even if you do the first two, if you are on public roads with people who don't pay attention, it can save your butt when you try to avoid them.
This reminds me of people claiming they outbrake ABS. Sure, it might be technically possible, especially 20 years ago, but most who thought they could were full of crap. Overconfidence is much more dangerous than technology.
12-19-2014, 10:50 PM
#24
You don't really feel it while pulling. It just keeps the trailer from wondering. Turn it off while pulling and you can see the trailer moving and feel the rearend of the truck wanting to follow the trailers movements.The truck and trailer really track straight. It's pretty impressive.
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12-19-2014, 11:43 PM
#25
Glad I didn't start this thread, LOL.
I found how bad/good TSC and RSC were last night messing around. I always go mess around dead roads/empty parking lots when they are wet and I have a new vehicle. You just have to know how the nannies feel and function, off and on. I have been doing this since high school. Officers find it funny, some one actually learns to control their vehicles here, got busted in a mall parking lot 4- years ago, City officer couldn't believe I was doing it, so he sat there and watched to make sure I wasn't just doing donuts on a wet lot. No tickets, just a chaperon and a 21 year old officer trying to give a 26 year old a talking too.
Anyway, last night decided to see how different this truck handle than my 07. Took me a while to get used to the throttle delay, but I finally got sideways with everything off, had it under control for about 2 seconds and the tires ran past 35, RSC kicks, kills the engine, upshifts to 3, keep in mind I was still trying to control the sideways walking myself, and it finally stops sliding and gets steady, well me being the genius I am keeps it floored, engine down shifts to 2 at WOT, and it swings the other, Rinse and repeat a few times and you could imaging the Yoyo I was on, fun stuff. Not as fun as doing it myself in that 96 Exploder from highschool though.
I have a love hate relationship with the nannies, I can see their usefullness, but if you can handle a vehicle yourself with 96 and 07 levels of TSC, it can get you in trouble if you are not expecting it to kick in. And as I found out, if you are thinking you are controlling it, it will force you to over correct, that is what I hate.
I found how bad/good TSC and RSC were last night messing around. I always go mess around dead roads/empty parking lots when they are wet and I have a new vehicle. You just have to know how the nannies feel and function, off and on. I have been doing this since high school. Officers find it funny, some one actually learns to control their vehicles here, got busted in a mall parking lot 4- years ago, City officer couldn't believe I was doing it, so he sat there and watched to make sure I wasn't just doing donuts on a wet lot. No tickets, just a chaperon and a 21 year old officer trying to give a 26 year old a talking too.
Anyway, last night decided to see how different this truck handle than my 07. Took me a while to get used to the throttle delay, but I finally got sideways with everything off, had it under control for about 2 seconds and the tires ran past 35, RSC kicks, kills the engine, upshifts to 3, keep in mind I was still trying to control the sideways walking myself, and it finally stops sliding and gets steady, well me being the genius I am keeps it floored, engine down shifts to 2 at WOT, and it swings the other, Rinse and repeat a few times and you could imaging the Yoyo I was on, fun stuff. Not as fun as doing it myself in that 96 Exploder from highschool though.
I have a love hate relationship with the nannies, I can see their usefullness, but if you can handle a vehicle yourself with 96 and 07 levels of TSC, it can get you in trouble if you are not expecting it to kick in. And as I found out, if you are thinking you are controlling it, it will force you to over correct, that is what I hate.
I have just been messing with the TC settings too on my 14 . Used to have a 06 with no nannies .. Well on this 14 when you hold down the TC button for 5 seconds the advancetrac turns off but i think it comes back on if you go above 30 kph? unless you have a raptor i believe ? Damn you ford !! make the button turn it off ............ all speeds!! Only way now is to remove the fuse but then you lose ABS also , but the truck is a beast with the fuse gone drives way more to my liking , what im used to , can fishtail and drift around coroners if i want .. when my warranty expires i might just run a toggle switch to that circuit.. Im missing my 06 already ! lol
Last edited by BCviking; 12-19-2014 at 11:46 PM.
12-20-2014, 09:13 AM
#26
But then you lose 1wsc (Electronic simulation of an LSD). IMO, all 4 tires spinning is more important to have then turning off whatever is left of the nannies (when turning off traction and advance track.). Ither you're not familiar with 1wsc or you don't care about it, which I hear is some people which is fine. But just sayin....
12-20-2014, 11:37 AM
#27
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12-20-2014, 03:43 PM
#28
But then you lose 1wsc (Electronic simulation of an LSD). IMO, all 4 tires spinning is more important to have then turning off whatever is left of the nannies (when turning off traction and advance track.). Ither you're not familiar with 1wsc or you don't care about it, which I hear is some people which is fine. But just sayin....
12-20-2014, 04:14 PM
#29
Senior Member
Exactly what i want since i installed a Detroit Trutrac LSD unit to my open diff , the 1wsc was crap ! still got stuck in 2wd everywhere , even in icy parking lots . Now with the truetrac i find myself never having to put it in 4wd near as much and dont have the annoying nannies coming on near as much .
12-20-2014, 04:36 PM
#30
OK roger roger. Just making sure people knew the system would disappear with fuses pulled. It seems to work great in my truck. With rear axle locked, 4x4, and front "LSD" diff, traction is great.