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Old 02-24-2011, 03:08 PM   #1
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I have a 2011 ecoboost 4wd scab on order. It has max payload. says capacity is 2080 lbs.

If I wanted to haul 10,000 lbs am i better with a 5th wheel (or gooseneck) or bumper pull.

Since fifth wheel puts more weight in bed (20-25%) isnt conventional pull better (may 10-15%)?

what about weight distr. hitch. When do you need that? at what weight?

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I would say gooseneck is way better, as the bumper pull puts more weight further back on the truck and the gooseneck puts it over the rear wheels.
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I would say gooseneck is way better, as the bumper pull puts more weight further back on the truck and the gooseneck puts it over the rear wheels.
Agreed

I just don't like having to attach the ball or the 5th wheel hitch in the bed of my truck. That's a big load your going to be pulling. Let me know how the little 3.5 does. I'm very intrigued by this engine and it may have swayed me into buying an '11 rather then a used '09/'10.
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Go to woodalls site, they have all the info you"ll need in regards to towing, it's a very active site and has helped me a lot.
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I disagree with the above on the 5th wheel. Although it will tow better (be more resistant to cross winds etc.), its the tongue weight that is going to kill you with an F150.
Do the math on your truck's GVW, including the fifth wheel hitch, you, your family and all your gear, and you'll see that there is not much left (likely less than 900 to 1,000 pounds).
I tow a 32 foot TT with a tongue weight of only about 850, and with a good equalizer hitch, it only drops the truck about 1/2 of an inch....
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I disagree with the above on the 5th wheel. Although it will tow better (be more resistant to cross winds etc.), its the tongue weight that is going to kill you with an F150.
Do the math on your truck's GVW, including the fifth wheel hitch, you, your family and all your gear, and you'll see that there is not much left (likely less than 900 to 1,000 pounds).
I tow a 32 foot TT with a tongue weight of only about 850, and with a good equalizer hitch, it only drops the truck about 1/2 of an inch....
Depends on your trailer, there is no reason you couldnt get a 5th wheel trailer with low tongue weight. 5th wheel is better every time.
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Depends on your trailer, there is no reason you couldnt get a 5th wheel trailer with low tongue weight. 5th wheel is better every time.
I agree. 5th wheel would be better. Before you go with a 5th wheel setup make sure there is enough clearance between the top of the bedside rails and the trailer. The F150's have fairly deep boxes that may be an issue depending on your 5th wheel hitch.
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Depends on your trailer, there is no reason you couldnt get a 5th wheel trailer with low tongue weight. 5th wheel is better every time.
Yeah, but he mentions a 10K 5th towing weight. I don't think there is any way to get a tongue weight compatible with a 1/2 ton at that heavy a 5th wheeler.......
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I guess im no trailering expert, but I spose it depends on how often he plans on towing that load and how much over rated capacity it really is. I would probably beef up the back suspension a bit, put on some bags or something and go with 5th wheel anyways. She can handle it!
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If the OP is going to be towing often at or near the maximum allowed then a 3/4 or 1 ton would be a better choice.
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If the OP is going to be towing often at or near the maximum allowed then a 3/4 or 1 ton would be a better choice.
obviously, and I wanted a 350, but with the options i have a 350 priced out to be 15,000$ more, so im driving a 150, haha!
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I am sure that there is a safety margin built in as with most things. I know you dont want to go over the limit as you could be held liable if something happens but there is a reason that they are rated at x amount. I will use all available if I have to. I didnt buy the truck with a 10,000 lbs rating only to use half that.
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thanks for the responses. I don't tow that often and no mountains. I think the ecoboost and 3.73 should handle it fine.
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Some good info right here in this forum.


http://www.f150forum.com/f38/5th-whe...-52823/index2/



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thanks for the responses. I don't tow that often and no mountains. I think the ecoboost and 3.73 should handle it fine.

I agree with you; and even if you threw in a 'mountain', I would still agree!
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How big is the bed on these trucks???
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6.5 or 5.5. If you are pulling a 5thwheel with a 5.5 you need a sliding hitch.
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OMG, those are HUGE RV trailers!

Which begs the question: Why a 5th wheel travel trailer instead of a whole RV rig?

I rented out a 36 footer deluxe RV and towed my ATV trailer with 4 quads out back, drove that a couple hundred miles to some dunes and back, through winding, high, windy, freeways through the mountains, and it was no sweat to me. Living in comfort, auto-leveling, on-board generator, cool air conditioning.

I did a quick check on prices and you can find huge RV's in the same price range as a TT.

Just curious on the reasoning for a trailer vs a "RV".
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Click the 5th whel towing in my sig. I tow a 5'er, sometimes with a Seadoo behind that. Total towed weight is about 9000 lbs.

As a previous poster mentioned, you will run out of GAWR and cargo weight WAY BEFORE running into the 11,000 pull rating. a 10K 5'er will weigh about 2000 lbs on the pin. Add in your weight, gas, propane, ... and you will be way over your GAWR rear, which I assume is 4000 lbs. My 5er is 6600 unloaded, abuot 8000 loaded, 1050 on the pin unloaded, about 1200 loaded. Mine is a Cougar X-Lite, built for F150 type trucks (please don't call it a half ton. Half ton is 1000 lbs! Our F150s have 1400-1900 cargo, more on the 3/4 side!). To do it right, you have to tone down the weight/length of the trailer you want. If it must be a 10K, I'd go ball mount, with a WDH, hands down. but with the 3.5, I'd seriously reconsider that downwards too.

Hitch wise- I have a 5'6" box and a Pullrite 12K autoslider which is mandatory. There are no issues with the depth of the F150 bed.

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OMG, those are HUGE RV trailers!

Which begs the question: Why a 5th wheel travel trailer instead of a whole RV rig?

I rented out a 36 footer deluxe RV and towed my ATV trailer with 4 quads out back, drove that a couple hundred miles to some dunes and back, through winding, high, windy, freeways through the mountains, and it was no sweat to me. Living in comfort, auto-leveling, on-board generator, cool air conditioning.

I did a quick check on prices and you can find huge RV's in the same price range as a TT.

Just curious on the reasoning for a trailer vs a "RV".
i would have to say i would have to go with the tt for the simple fact once i get to where i am going i unhook and still have a mode of getting around plus insurance is cheeper. but there to thats just me
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