Best modifications under $50
#1682
Senior Member
I can't take credit for that idea but it is a good one. I came across that in this thread.
http://www.fordraptorforum.com/f11/e...-solved-15369/
I also used the method described in this thread to complete the install without the need for the nutsert. Works great!
I just noticed my SECOND nutsert coming loose again and yes I did more than the 9 turns, it was about 12 and a half.
I was at the beach for a week and the tailgate got a workout every day putting stuff in and taking it out and loading people in and out to go drive on the beach. I assume it came loose then. Was going to rack my brain to come up with a solution when I saw this post!
Took me longer to gather tools than it did to do the mod.
#1683
Senior Member
Genius!!!!!
I just noticed my SECOND nutsert coming loose again and yes I did more than the 9 turns, it was about 12 and a half.
I was at the beach for a week and the tailgate got a workout every day putting stuff in and taking it out and loading people in and out to go drive on the beach. I assume it came loose then. Was going to rack my brain to come up with a solution when I saw this post!
Took me longer to gather tools than it did to do the mod.
I just noticed my SECOND nutsert coming loose again and yes I did more than the 9 turns, it was about 12 and a half.
I was at the beach for a week and the tailgate got a workout every day putting stuff in and taking it out and loading people in and out to go drive on the beach. I assume it came loose then. Was going to rack my brain to come up with a solution when I saw this post!
Took me longer to gather tools than it did to do the mod.
#1684
Senior Member
FYI, it took me 10 mins to do this. If your even slightly mechanically inclined it won't take hours and it takes less precision than tapping which could go wrong.
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RES4CUE (09-07-2013)
#1686
Senior Member
Well, I just put mine on. (And then it started raining while I was in the middle of the power tailgate lock mod. )
Using the information in this thread, I was particularly cautious about the nutsert. At 8 turns, it started snugging up. I kept going and at 10.5 turns it was getting quite snug. I stopped at 11 turns as it was getting very tight and I didn't want to overdo it.
I then put in the ball stud, finger tight at first. Then, using a torque wrench, it took a couple turns at just a few foot pounds before it started firming up. It was finally about four more turns before I hit the designated 8 foot pounds. I marked the nutsert before torquing the ball stud, and the nutsert did not twist. So it seems to me that torquing the ball stud tightens up the nutsert by a few more turns, perhaps the same as those extra turns of the nut using the installation tool?
To those people who are experiencing nutserts that loosen up: did you use a torque wrench to put in the ball stud? How many turns did it take to get to torque? Might some of the nutsert failures be due to improper torquing (too little or too much?)
I love the way the tailgate assist works! Hopefully the nutsert is tightened properly and won't start coming loose.
Using the information in this thread, I was particularly cautious about the nutsert. At 8 turns, it started snugging up. I kept going and at 10.5 turns it was getting quite snug. I stopped at 11 turns as it was getting very tight and I didn't want to overdo it.
I then put in the ball stud, finger tight at first. Then, using a torque wrench, it took a couple turns at just a few foot pounds before it started firming up. It was finally about four more turns before I hit the designated 8 foot pounds. I marked the nutsert before torquing the ball stud, and the nutsert did not twist. So it seems to me that torquing the ball stud tightens up the nutsert by a few more turns, perhaps the same as those extra turns of the nut using the installation tool?
To those people who are experiencing nutserts that loosen up: did you use a torque wrench to put in the ball stud? How many turns did it take to get to torque? Might some of the nutsert failures be due to improper torquing (too little or too much?)
I love the way the tailgate assist works! Hopefully the nutsert is tightened properly and won't start coming loose.
#1687
Senior Member
Well, I just put mine on. (And then it started raining while I was in the middle of the power tailgate lock mod. )
Using the information in this thread, I was particularly cautious about the nutsert. At 8 turns, it started snugging up. I kept going and at 10.5 turns it was getting quite snug. I stopped at 11 turns as it was getting very tight and I didn't want to overdo it.
I then put in the ball stud, finger tight at first. Then, using a torque wrench, it took a couple turns at just a few foot pounds before it started firming up. It was finally about four more turns before I hit the designated 8 foot pounds. I marked the nutsert before torquing the ball stud, and the nutsert did not twist. So it seems to me that torquing the ball stud tightens up the nutsert by a few more turns, perhaps the same as those extra turns of the nut using the installation tool?
To those people who are experiencing nutserts that loosen up: did you use a torque wrench to put in the ball stud? How many turns did it take to get to torque? Might some of the nutsert failures be due to improper torquing (too little or too much?)
I love the way the tailgate assist works! Hopefully the nutsert is tightened properly and won't start coming loose.
Using the information in this thread, I was particularly cautious about the nutsert. At 8 turns, it started snugging up. I kept going and at 10.5 turns it was getting quite snug. I stopped at 11 turns as it was getting very tight and I didn't want to overdo it.
I then put in the ball stud, finger tight at first. Then, using a torque wrench, it took a couple turns at just a few foot pounds before it started firming up. It was finally about four more turns before I hit the designated 8 foot pounds. I marked the nutsert before torquing the ball stud, and the nutsert did not twist. So it seems to me that torquing the ball stud tightens up the nutsert by a few more turns, perhaps the same as those extra turns of the nut using the installation tool?
To those people who are experiencing nutserts that loosen up: did you use a torque wrench to put in the ball stud? How many turns did it take to get to torque? Might some of the nutsert failures be due to improper torquing (too little or too much?)
I love the way the tailgate assist works! Hopefully the nutsert is tightened properly and won't start coming loose.
I used the years of tightening things to gauge how tight to get the ball stud. Note that I'm still in the process of getting my patent on this method though!
#1688
Senior Member
As you start to tighten the nutsert, it expands inside the tailgate and starts to clamp on the back side of the sheet metal. But if you over tighten it, the back side of the nutsert could deform, and perhaps pull away from the sheet metal - or it could simply weaken the nutsert so that stresses over time distort it and loosen it.
8 ft-lbs isn't much torque at all. And the nutserts are made of quite soft metal (they have to be in order to expand inside the tailgate.) I wonder if some of the failures people are reporting are due to over-torquing the stud, rather than not enough turns of the nutsert installation tool?
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Dave A (09-08-2013)
#1689
Senior Member
I was surprised how little torque is used on the ball stud - 8 ft-lbs isn't much! I wonder if your experienced wrench hand might have over over-torqued the nutsert?
As you start to tighten the nutsert, it expands inside the tailgate and starts to clamp on the back side of the sheet metal. But if you over tighten it, the back side of the nutsert could deform, and perhaps pull away from the sheet metal - or it could simply weaken the nutsert so that stresses over time distort it and loosen it.
8 ft-lbs isn't much torque at all. And the nutserts are made of quite soft metal (they have to be in order to expand inside the tailgate.) I wonder if some of the failures people are reporting are due to over-torquing the stud, rather than not enough turns of the nutsert installation tool?
Either way it is fixed permanently now as I used the washer method through the tailgate and my mind will be at ease! Lol
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