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Old 09-07-2013, 01:21 PM
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BG what bulbs are you running in your fog lights? I hate the factory bulbs in mine as they look yellow compared to the HID headlights. Yours looks bright white. Like the raster lights as well.
I'm not sure what bulbs exactly. Bough the truck like that. I would have to pull them and tell you. I'll get back with you.
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Originally Posted by JRVicHammer

I can't take credit for that idea but it is a good one. I came across that in this thread.

http://www.fordraptorforum.com/f11/e...-solved-15369/

I also used the method described in this thread to complete the install without the need for the nutsert. Works great!
Genius!!!!!

I just noticed my SECOND nutsert coming loose again and yes I did more than the 9 turns, it was about 12 and a half.

I was at the beach for a week and the tailgate got a workout every day putting stuff in and taking it out and loading people in and out to go drive on the beach. I assume it came loose then. Was going to rack my brain to come up with a solution when I saw this post!

Took me longer to gather tools than it did to do the mod.
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Originally Posted by RES4CUE
Genius!!!!!

I just noticed my SECOND nutsert coming loose again and yes I did more than the 9 turns, it was about 12 and a half.

I was at the beach for a week and the tailgate got a workout every day putting stuff in and taking it out and loading people in and out to go drive on the beach. I assume it came loose then. Was going to rack my brain to come up with a solution when I saw this post!

Took me longer to gather tools than it did to do the mod.
IDK about genius? For the amount of time it takes to take that thing apart and modify tools to make it work. The simple solution, as suggested by someone else much earlier in this thread, is to drill a hole beside the factory hole and tap it! But, whatever works?
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Originally Posted by Left Plate

IDK about genius? For the amount of time it takes to take that thing apart and modify tools to make it work. The simple solution, as suggested by someone else much earlier in this thread, is to drill a hole beside the factory hole and tap it! But, whatever works?
Well I think that it is better than drilling into my truck and tapping. I also feel it will hold stronger than just a tap through the sheet metal.

FYI, it took me 10 mins to do this. If your even slightly mechanically inclined it won't take hours and it takes less precision than tapping which could go wrong.
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If mine ever comes loose I'll just put a nut on the backside.

Does anyone know what size that ball stud thread is? I'm just going to find a locknut to use.
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Well, I just put mine on. (And then it started raining while I was in the middle of the power tailgate lock mod. )

Using the information in this thread, I was particularly cautious about the nutsert. At 8 turns, it started snugging up. I kept going and at 10.5 turns it was getting quite snug. I stopped at 11 turns as it was getting very tight and I didn't want to overdo it.

I then put in the ball stud, finger tight at first. Then, using a torque wrench, it took a couple turns at just a few foot pounds before it started firming up. It was finally about four more turns before I hit the designated 8 foot pounds. I marked the nutsert before torquing the ball stud, and the nutsert did not twist. So it seems to me that torquing the ball stud tightens up the nutsert by a few more turns, perhaps the same as those extra turns of the nut using the installation tool?

To those people who are experiencing nutserts that loosen up: did you use a torque wrench to put in the ball stud? How many turns did it take to get to torque? Might some of the nutsert failures be due to improper torquing (too little or too much?)

I love the way the tailgate assist works! Hopefully the nutsert is tightened properly and won't start coming loose.
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Originally Posted by ShapeShifter
Well, I just put mine on. (And then it started raining while I was in the middle of the power tailgate lock mod. )

Using the information in this thread, I was particularly cautious about the nutsert. At 8 turns, it started snugging up. I kept going and at 10.5 turns it was getting quite snug. I stopped at 11 turns as it was getting very tight and I didn't want to overdo it.

I then put in the ball stud, finger tight at first. Then, using a torque wrench, it took a couple turns at just a few foot pounds before it started firming up. It was finally about four more turns before I hit the designated 8 foot pounds. I marked the nutsert before torquing the ball stud, and the nutsert did not twist. So it seems to me that torquing the ball stud tightens up the nutsert by a few more turns, perhaps the same as those extra turns of the nut using the installation tool?

To those people who are experiencing nutserts that loosen up: did you use a torque wrench to put in the ball stud? How many turns did it take to get to torque? Might some of the nutsert failures be due to improper torquing (too little or too much?)

I love the way the tailgate assist works! Hopefully the nutsert is tightened properly and won't start coming loose.
I did not use a Touque wrench on ball stud. I did do the recommended 9 turns the first time per instructions. When that failed I called to get another and they shipped a whole new install package and they told me 10-12 was better so I went to 12 and a half and it still came loose.

I used the years of tightening things to gauge how tight to get the ball stud. Note that I'm still in the process of getting my patent on this method though!
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Originally Posted by RES4CUE
I used the years of tightening things to gauge how tight to get the ball stud.
I was surprised how little torque is used on the ball stud - 8 ft-lbs isn't much! I wonder if your experienced wrench hand might have over over-torqued the nutsert?

As you start to tighten the nutsert, it expands inside the tailgate and starts to clamp on the back side of the sheet metal. But if you over tighten it, the back side of the nutsert could deform, and perhaps pull away from the sheet metal - or it could simply weaken the nutsert so that stresses over time distort it and loosen it.

8 ft-lbs isn't much torque at all. And the nutserts are made of quite soft metal (they have to be in order to expand inside the tailgate.) I wonder if some of the failures people are reporting are due to over-torquing the stud, rather than not enough turns of the nutsert installation tool?
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Originally Posted by ShapeShifter

I was surprised how little torque is used on the ball stud - 8 ft-lbs isn't much! I wonder if your experienced wrench hand might have over over-torqued the nutsert?

As you start to tighten the nutsert, it expands inside the tailgate and starts to clamp on the back side of the sheet metal. But if you over tighten it, the back side of the nutsert could deform, and perhaps pull away from the sheet metal - or it could simply weaken the nutsert so that stresses over time distort it and loosen it.

8 ft-lbs isn't much torque at all. And the nutserts are made of quite soft metal (they have to be in order to expand inside the tailgate.) I wonder if some of the failures people are reporting are due to over-torquing the stud, rather than not enough turns of the nutsert installation tool?
It's entirely possible. I think my first one failed because I knew that the nutsert was made to "crush" against the sheet metal and did not want to strip it out. Then when it failed I went with the 12 as recommended by the company and it felt really secure even before I put the ball stud in. The second one held solid for weeks and then it saw a lot of use at the beach and noticed yesterday that it was starting to move in the hole.

Either way it is fixed permanently now as I used the washer method through the tailgate and my mind will be at ease! Lol
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Gloss black pillar covers, $35.00 on eBay.
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