Acceleration shudder diagnosed by Ford!
07-29-2016, 06:59 AM
#401
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rideralberta (07-29-2016)
07-29-2016, 12:29 PM
#402
It sounds like the Raptor fix, the spring fix, the shim fix, the new axle fix.... are only working for some, but not all. I've been a GM guy for over 30 years, and last fall made the switch to a FORD. It's simply mind-boggling to me that a basic design flaw like this is even possible in 2012.
Henry Ford is rolling in his grave.
07-30-2016, 11:23 AM
#403
And please take some of us with you. I've been a Ford guy all my life. Guess because I've always been an underdog. My first job was for a Ford dealership. I've owned a few GM vehicles that treated me very well. I have a 2010 150 like you do. In the 1st 10k miles the rotors warped. Again at 20k. Replaced everything Non OEM and the front is warped again - No hauling, no towing - design problem ?. The slip yoke has been serviced 8->10 times - Still sticks, bumps, bangs. Clutches in the limited slip had to be replaced around 35k. Like a fool I updated the Sync before searching to find out it was worse then the initial V3.8. I tested the shutter when I read about it pulling a 2k trailer. Did not have the issue. But now I'm feel something new at 50k miles when empty.
I really like this truck. But; Having low mileage and being well maintained, I'm thinking I should just get the value out of it and move on. I could get worse. But I feel my chances are better than keeping it. My extended warranty is up EOY. Recently I noticed the motor has developed a slight shake at idle. I read about ignition advance being controlled by oil pressure, and rough idle issues due to low oil pressure. So maybe it's time to end this 50 year relationship.
Last edited by Duff49; 07-30-2016 at 11:26 AM.
08-04-2016, 03:36 PM
#404
So is anyone experiencing any kind of issues with their drivetrain from this shudder??? Or is this turning out to be a simple annoyance with no consequences? I'm redoing the differential for the second time in 6 months... and I have no idea why, other than this shudder is sending nasty vibrations through the driveline.
08-07-2016, 08:44 PM
#407
Just in case any of you guys were looking to fix your issue by buying a 2015 DONT DO IT! I have a March 2015 build SCREW, 157" WB, 6.5 box, 4x4, $60K Lariat that has the take off shudder unloaded. Gets worse with weight in the bed. Gets scary with a trailer hooked. Fords trying to say it's a characteristic the first time I brought it in for this issue. BS. Took it to purchasing dealer & they have had it a week now stating there is definitely an issue but waiting on a field engineer to show up & check it out. So there you have it! Ford HAS NOT fixed this issue after all these years. Makes me fkn sick to my stomach!
08-09-2016, 08:13 PM
#408
2014 SuperCab FX4 with the 5.o Coyote motor, one piece drive shaft, OEM tow package
At 2000 km (1260 miles) I towed my car to the race track 100 miles each way, 5500 lb ttl car and trailer weight.
Shudder started that day when empty or full, on acceleration, braking and just hitting bumps. Comes and goes, most noticeable at slow speeds in the neighborhood, driving over small potholes or road surface cracks. Absolutely terrible.
After the 4th time in service, the truck was again deemed to perform within spec and the selling dealer principal got involved. Claims he drove the truck with the Ford service rep; nothing unusual; aka vehicle characteristic. Got no satisfaction or real support, so I ended my relationship with that dealer.
Went to the next dealer (a friend of mine is tight with the owners and service manager). Svc Manager agreed something isn't right.
Ford Engineering sent back several different excuses, always saying the truck is within normal operating characteristics.
They blamed the 20" wheels (came with the truck)
They blamed the heavy duty suspension (really?)
Since no TSB's exist for my 14 (actually built in 13) I am out of luck, since techs don't get paid to investigate problems, only to repair them.
Svc manager drives a new F150 - it does the same thing. He drove the sales managers truck and it's worse! Tried it with trailer, with load, without tailgate.....no changes.
Rented a 2016 Supercrew in San Diego this past April- 10 days and about 1000 miles-No shudder.
Took the truck to my performance car mechanic and measured the pinion angle. It was out by 3 degrees so I took the truck to a spring shop and had 3* wedge blocks installed. Truck drives smoother, but shudder still comes and goes with no real notable environmental or situational causes. temp, gas tank empty or full, bed empty or full, trailer/no trailer, etc.
Comes and goes, but mostly stays.
Had 285/65/20 TK02 BFG's and a 2" leveling kit installed last Christmas; also Bilstein 5100 rear shocks; none of that made any difference, other than it now sits higher and rides better/quieter than with the flat spotted Pirellis....but that's another topic, as everyone who knows anything about the Scorpions can attest to, lol.
Truck now has 50 000 km on it; have owned it for 2 yrs this month.
48 000 km, or 96% of the mileage has been with this problem. Complete fail on Fords part as far as I'm concerned. Including this truck, I have bought or leased 22 Ford vehicles.
This will be my last Ford if I can't resolve the problem and also get some legitimate support/assistance.
I like the idea of the stiffer and longer 2nd rear leaf spring. Drove from Toronto to Toledo this week, and I thought the truck was going to bounce off the interstate, the shudder was so bad.
Any thoughts Gentlemen?
At 2000 km (1260 miles) I towed my car to the race track 100 miles each way, 5500 lb ttl car and trailer weight.
Shudder started that day when empty or full, on acceleration, braking and just hitting bumps. Comes and goes, most noticeable at slow speeds in the neighborhood, driving over small potholes or road surface cracks. Absolutely terrible.
After the 4th time in service, the truck was again deemed to perform within spec and the selling dealer principal got involved. Claims he drove the truck with the Ford service rep; nothing unusual; aka vehicle characteristic. Got no satisfaction or real support, so I ended my relationship with that dealer.
Went to the next dealer (a friend of mine is tight with the owners and service manager). Svc Manager agreed something isn't right.
Ford Engineering sent back several different excuses, always saying the truck is within normal operating characteristics.
They blamed the 20" wheels (came with the truck)
They blamed the heavy duty suspension (really?)
Since no TSB's exist for my 14 (actually built in 13) I am out of luck, since techs don't get paid to investigate problems, only to repair them.
Svc manager drives a new F150 - it does the same thing. He drove the sales managers truck and it's worse! Tried it with trailer, with load, without tailgate.....no changes.
Rented a 2016 Supercrew in San Diego this past April- 10 days and about 1000 miles-No shudder.
Took the truck to my performance car mechanic and measured the pinion angle. It was out by 3 degrees so I took the truck to a spring shop and had 3* wedge blocks installed. Truck drives smoother, but shudder still comes and goes with no real notable environmental or situational causes. temp, gas tank empty or full, bed empty or full, trailer/no trailer, etc.
Comes and goes, but mostly stays.
Had 285/65/20 TK02 BFG's and a 2" leveling kit installed last Christmas; also Bilstein 5100 rear shocks; none of that made any difference, other than it now sits higher and rides better/quieter than with the flat spotted Pirellis....but that's another topic, as everyone who knows anything about the Scorpions can attest to, lol.
Truck now has 50 000 km on it; have owned it for 2 yrs this month.
48 000 km, or 96% of the mileage has been with this problem. Complete fail on Fords part as far as I'm concerned. Including this truck, I have bought or leased 22 Ford vehicles.
This will be my last Ford if I can't resolve the problem and also get some legitimate support/assistance.
I like the idea of the stiffer and longer 2nd rear leaf spring. Drove from Toronto to Toledo this week, and I thought the truck was going to bounce off the interstate, the shudder was so bad.
Any thoughts Gentlemen?
Last edited by tulowd; 08-09-2016 at 08:16 PM.
08-09-2016, 08:22 PM
#409
2014 SuperCab FX4 with the 5.o Coyote motor, one piece drive shaft, OEM tow package
At 2000 km (1260 miles) I towed my car to the race track 100 miles each way, 5500 lb ttl car and trailer weight.
Shudder started that day when empty or full, on acceleration, braking and just hitting bumps. Comes and goes, most noticeable at slow speeds in the neighborhood, driving over small potholes or road surface cracks. Absolutely terrible.
After the 4th time in service, the truck was again deemed to perform within spec and the selling dealer principal got involved. Claims he drove the truck with the Ford service rep; nothing unusual; aka vehicle characteristic. Got no satisfaction or real support, so I ended my relationship with that dealer.
Went to the next dealer (a friend of mine is tight with the owners and service manager). Svc Manager agreed something isn't right.
Ford Engineering sent back several different excuses, always saying the truck is within normal operating characteristics.
They blamed the 20" wheels (came with the truck)
They blamed the heavy duty suspension (really?)
Since no TSB's exist for my 14 (actually built in 13) I am out of luck, since techs don't get paid to investigate problems, only to repair them.
Svc manager drives a new F150 - it does the same thing. He drove the sales managers truck and it's worse! Tried it with trailer, with load, without tailgate.....no changes.
Rented a 2016 Supercrew in San Diego this past April- 10 days and about 1000 miles-No shudder.
Took the truck to my performance car mechanic and measured the pinion angle. It was out by 3 degrees so I took the truck to a spring shop and had 3* wedge blocks installed. Truck drives smoother, but shudder still comes and goes with no real notable environmental or situational causes. temp, gas tank empty or full, bed empty or full, trailer/no trailer, etc.
Comes and goes, but mostly stays.
Had 285/65/20 TK02 BFG's and a 2" leveling kit installed last Christmas; also Bilstein 5100 rear shocks; none of that made any difference, other than it now sits higher and rides better/quieter than with the flat spotted Pirellis....but that's another topic, as everyone who knows anything about the Scorpions can attest to, lol.
Truck now has 50 000 km on it; have owned it for 2 yrs this month.
48 000 km, or 96% of the mileage has been with this problem. Complete fail on Fords part as far as I'm concerned. Including this truck, I have bought or leased 22 Ford vehicles.
This will be my last Ford if I can't resolve the problem and also get some legitimate support/assistance.
I like the idea of the stiffer and longer 2nd rear leaf spring. Drove from Toronto to Toledo this week, and I thought the truck was going to bounce off the interstate, the shudder was so bad.
Any thoughts Gentlemen?
At 2000 km (1260 miles) I towed my car to the race track 100 miles each way, 5500 lb ttl car and trailer weight.
Shudder started that day when empty or full, on acceleration, braking and just hitting bumps. Comes and goes, most noticeable at slow speeds in the neighborhood, driving over small potholes or road surface cracks. Absolutely terrible.
After the 4th time in service, the truck was again deemed to perform within spec and the selling dealer principal got involved. Claims he drove the truck with the Ford service rep; nothing unusual; aka vehicle characteristic. Got no satisfaction or real support, so I ended my relationship with that dealer.
Went to the next dealer (a friend of mine is tight with the owners and service manager). Svc Manager agreed something isn't right.
Ford Engineering sent back several different excuses, always saying the truck is within normal operating characteristics.
They blamed the 20" wheels (came with the truck)
They blamed the heavy duty suspension (really?)
Since no TSB's exist for my 14 (actually built in 13) I am out of luck, since techs don't get paid to investigate problems, only to repair them.
Svc manager drives a new F150 - it does the same thing. He drove the sales managers truck and it's worse! Tried it with trailer, with load, without tailgate.....no changes.
Rented a 2016 Supercrew in San Diego this past April- 10 days and about 1000 miles-No shudder.
Took the truck to my performance car mechanic and measured the pinion angle. It was out by 3 degrees so I took the truck to a spring shop and had 3* wedge blocks installed. Truck drives smoother, but shudder still comes and goes with no real notable environmental or situational causes. temp, gas tank empty or full, bed empty or full, trailer/no trailer, etc.
Comes and goes, but mostly stays.
Had 285/65/20 TK02 BFG's and a 2" leveling kit installed last Christmas; also Bilstein 5100 rear shocks; none of that made any difference, other than it now sits higher and rides better/quieter than with the flat spotted Pirellis....but that's another topic, as everyone who knows anything about the Scorpions can attest to, lol.
Truck now has 50 000 km on it; have owned it for 2 yrs this month.
48 000 km, or 96% of the mileage has been with this problem. Complete fail on Fords part as far as I'm concerned. Including this truck, I have bought or leased 22 Ford vehicles.
This will be my last Ford if I can't resolve the problem and also get some legitimate support/assistance.
I like the idea of the stiffer and longer 2nd rear leaf spring. Drove from Toronto to Toledo this week, and I thought the truck was going to bounce off the interstate, the shudder was so bad.
Any thoughts Gentlemen?
So I traded the unit in this week for a 2014 which, without a trailer, does not seem to have as much or any shudder at all. However, I'm going to put a trailer on it and see what happens. I have an extended warranty, so hopefully any fixes will be covered by Ford. If this is a problem too, then I'll probably sell the vehicle and go to a Ram or GM. This is a disappointing introduction for me to Ford's trucks, as I've been driving GM for years now. It's surprising as it is a basic engineering design flaw. What makes your case interesting, if we're speaking of the same vibration, is that usually this is an issue with the 6.5' box from what I can tell...
08-09-2016, 08:36 PM
#410
Sorry, Supercab has the 6.5 ft box, but the one pc driveshaft.
Just went to the hotel parking lot and looked at mine, a 2010 STX and a new style FX4. The front of the leaf springs have been shortened, and the driver side rear shock is now behind the axle and mounted towards the rear of the truck. Looks like axle windup control to me.
I realize my shudder is different, but similar to the OP description.
Ford has had problems with this issue, hence the pretend fixes and 3 TSBs.
If the cause is actually from the transmission output (torque converter or problem with trans pressure or control), then the soft springs and standard shock placement may not be the cause of the issue, but simply magnifiers.
I have rented dozens of half ton full size pickup trucks (GM, Ram, Toyota and Nissan) over the last few years, and only the F150's exhibit this annoying trait.
Just went to the hotel parking lot and looked at mine, a 2010 STX and a new style FX4. The front of the leaf springs have been shortened, and the driver side rear shock is now behind the axle and mounted towards the rear of the truck. Looks like axle windup control to me.
I realize my shudder is different, but similar to the OP description.
Ford has had problems with this issue, hence the pretend fixes and 3 TSBs.
If the cause is actually from the transmission output (torque converter or problem with trans pressure or control), then the soft springs and standard shock placement may not be the cause of the issue, but simply magnifiers.
I have rented dozens of half ton full size pickup trucks (GM, Ram, Toyota and Nissan) over the last few years, and only the F150's exhibit this annoying trait.
