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Old 07-29-2015, 08:39 AM
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Originally Posted by tpr676
... Cannot be exposed to moisture until cured.
Most sealants are polymer based. After application it takes 12-24 hours for the polymers to bond and cure.
I think of it like running a bead of silicone. After 2 hours it has a skin. It takes about 2 days to thoroughly cure.

Coating are even more finicky about their cure time. Water spots "on top" of a uncured coating can dry into the coating.
Old 07-29-2015, 02:55 PM
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Originally Posted by tpr676
Wolfgang sealant is very good product, only issue is the 12 hour cure time. Cannot be exposed to moisture until cured.
Good point.

Those in dry environments probably wouldn't have an issue with this. My truck hangs out of my garage and I'm in SE Texas, so the humidity here is horrible. The product itself only has to sit on the paint for 45 minutes if I remember it correctly, but you are right.. No moisture for 12 hours (or 24, I forgot.. Haven't been on AG lately) so it can bond to the paint properly.

I've never had an issue though. I've always added a 2nd coat after an hour and it's always worked fine for me.

I bought my truck in April and still haven't given it anything more than a wash and QD wipe down. Fortunately, there were very few blemishes from the dealer lot. I want to polish and seal but this is just a bad time of year to do it for me. We've been sitting just a few degrees below triple digits for the last few weeks and we are supposed to break into the 100's though over the next few days. Heat Index has been in the 110's. Basically, unless I can get my hands on an Air Conditioned garage or go get a floor standing AC to put in my garage (even though I can't shut it with the truck in it, I'll have to wait until Mid/Late October for the temps to drop for me to get after it.
Old 07-29-2015, 03:06 PM
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OUCH!

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Old 07-29-2015, 04:26 PM
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I went through a whole deep paint clean process a few months back for the first time on my black 99' Mustang.

It needed some paint correction as well, but I used Wolfgang's DG Sealant and am very pleased with it.

These pictures are right after I applied the sealant, (also after a round of Meg's 105/205 compounds)....

This was from April.....

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Originally Posted by chickenwire
They both offer UV protection. If you want better, seal first, then wax over it, remembering that the wax will need to be replaced every 6-8 weeks.
So if I put on a sealant like Klasse, then wax over it, the wax won't mess up the sealant?
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Good chart and video
http://www.chemicalguys.com/v/vspfil...ngflowchat.jpg

I like there stuff. But gives you an idea on process
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Originally Posted by 02fx4dude
So if I put on a sealant like Klasse, then wax over it, the wax won't mess up the sealant?
No. Many people prefer the warmer appearance of the wax.

Just do it in the right order. First time I did it I waxed then sealed (which prevents the sealant from bonding.)

Can't believe I just admitted I did that . . .
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Old 07-31-2015, 08:37 AM
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^Agreed

General Rule:
You can put wax on a sealant but you don't put a sealant over a wax.

My Last Step Product (LSP) wax, sealant or coating choice depends a lot on the color of the paint.

For white...and light colors I shoot for a bright sparkle and very shiny.
For dark...black, dark blue and dark red etc. I prefer depth and warmth.

Different LSP's produce different "looks".

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Merlin - for the last several years I waxed over the sealant on a black Solstice. This year I stopped after the sealant mostly to see how long the sealant alone would last. I actually think I like the colder more metallic look without the carnauba on it. Might change my mind but for not I kinda like it.
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Originally Posted by chickenwire
Merlin - for the last several years I waxed over the sealant on a black Solstice.
This year I stopped after the sealant mostly to see how long the sealant alone would last.
I actually think I like the colder more metallic look without the carnauba on it. Might change my mind but for not I kinda like it.
What sealant do you use?

I kinda feel that way about Blackfire Wet Diamond AFPP. A nice "look" and slickness.
I like it alone or if the mood hits me I might top it with a coat of BF Midnight Sun wax.
Oddly enough, although I like the "Wet Ice over Fire" look. IMHO BFWD alone has better slickness.

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