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Old 06-25-2016, 08:44 AM
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Default Honest 2015 5.0 highway MPG

This is a real world MPG report of my 5.0 2015 F150 XLT Scab (light 200-250 lb load). Mileage: 32,045-mostly highway miles. 87 oct w/ ethanol. 65 deg.F.

-Noticed engine appeared to really be broken in about 15,000 miles, that is when MPG stabilized or got better.
-At 55-56 mph constant, slight rolling hills = 23.8 MPG
-At 72 mph constant, slight rolling hills = 21.7 -22.3 MPG
So on the Interstate, I set my cruise at 72mph.
At 73mph it drops to 20.6 MPG. At 76mph it drops to 19.3 or less

Compared to my 2011 Scab 5.0, the aluminum body weight loss appears to make a significant difference.

My only complaint: the doors on the Scab have to be SLAMMED to be firmly shut.
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Old 07-08-2016, 12:54 PM
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Default Just a quick question.

I just got a 2015 screw with 13,000miles 3.5 Eco and 3.55 gears.
Has a 2in level in front and 275/65r18
How much mpg change would I see going to something like a aggressive at in the 285/75r18 both on stock rims. The newer tire should stay tucked under the wheel well and not stick out much more.

Something like this.

https://www.treaddepot.com/?gclid=CIP4-qaq5M0CFQQQaQod7d0B3A#!productDetail/tireStandardFitment/352390

You all seem very knowledgeable and if you can give me any advice that would be awesome. Thanks in advance!



Originally Posted by otto457
3. Oxygen sensors: Another overlooked aspect especially on higher mileage vehicles. While it may never trip a CEL, anything other than the needed a/f ratio is inefficient.
4. Brakes: While braking doesn’t improve mileage, dragging brakes can take a huge toll before a problem is spotted. There’s a reason it’s part of the inspection included in the maintenance manual of your truck. Check to ensure caliper slides move correctly and the parking brake isn’t dragging.
5. ALL fluids: So you do the oil changes, that’s great, but have you thought about things like your power steering, differential, or transmission fluid? Anything that leads to a loss of power is taking it away from creating forward motion. Keep fluids in good condition and even do UOA (used oil analysis) to ensure its condition.
6. Spark plugs and ignition: Making sure proper voltage is getting to the plugs and that the gap is within range will help make efficient use of the fuel and air in the combustion chamber.
7. Fuel system: Many don’t think about the quality of the fuel they are buying. It may be the same octane, but the detergent packages of the fuels can vary. Buying top tier fuel helps to confirm a healthy level of detergents to prevent deposits. Deposits in and on the injectors can cause an uneven spray pattern and less even distribution of the fuel in the mix. Along with using quality fuels, there are several fuel system cleaners on the market. All of these products are not created the same. PEA (polyether amines) is a class of cleaners that safely and effectively clean fuel system and valve deposits and is the gold standard in the industry. I won’t endorse one product over another, but a search of PEA will give you an idea of which to look for.
8. AC usage: The AC compressor adds drag. It’s been found in lower speeds opening the windows creates less drag than running the compressor, when speeds increase the drag becomes greater from wind resistance and the AC should be used.
9. Weight: It takes more energy to create motion if the mass is greater. We drive heavy trucks, but keeping things that are not needed like “Why do I still have Joe’s barbells in the back of my truck??” out of equation helps.
10. Air filter: Notice I left this until the end of the list. Very rarely in normal conditions do we see air filters that are restricting flow. Most people are pretty good about changing, and usually over change the air filter.

MODIFING for mileage: This is a slippery slope. If you do it solely for mileage, you may end up disappointed. Don’t expect the mileage claims from most manufactures. Do your calculations based off of what real world you may see and the time for return. Doing a mod that takes 100,000 miles to recoup the cost doesn’t make sense to me. Do it for your enjoyment and let the mileage be a bonus is how I go about mods.
1. Cold air intakes (CAI): One of the most asked about modifications. In theory it seems like a good idea, less restriction will mean more power to create motion. While this is true, we have to look at what you already have in the stock system. Most stock intakes on F-150’s draw air from the fender well. It’s really a good location as intake temperatures are near ambient. No shiny CAI filter can lower intake temperatures beyond ambient, only an intercooler can cool the intake charge. Now on to restriction of filters. The stock system, even horribly dirty, can flow enough air to supply the motor. Some slight gains can come from a less restrictive filter, but usually at the cost of filtration. It depends what value you put on the rest of the internal components to allow more silica particles through the filter verses a slight restriction. There are also modifications that can be done to the stock system to maintain a high filtration level while easing restriction. Most famous of these modifications to the stock system is the “Gotts mod”.
2. Programmers: Programmers with the proper tuning can give the greatest chance at improving mileage, but also come with a cost. Even on a stock vehicle, tunes will give a better driving experience and custom tunes allow modded trucks to take full advantage of those mods. Many turn to “mileage” tunes to try to improve mileage. These tunes often times limit power however. This limited power can actually lead to worse mileage in some situations. A custom tuned device gives the best chance to see a gain. There are several trusted tuners that write F150 calibrations. A tuner will adjust a/f trims and maps to maximize efficiency. They do so by taking out the “compromises” that factory tuning has to do to please everyone, and adjust to your driving style and your specific truck. Be wary of devices that claim +4mpg and 70hp, these are scam items that aren’t actually programmers. Expect a quality, custom tuned programmer to be in the $400 range. Mileage gains can be good, but may take a long time to pay back.
3. Exhaust: Exhaust modifications are seldom to see gains as most do so for sound. Romping on the throttle has a negative effect on mileage. Systems with headers can gain performance, but little on the mileage side. See my exhaust education thread for more details on exhaust in general: https://www.f150forum.com/f11/exhaus...re-myth-78102/
4. Electric fans (Efans): Efans are a popular mod for 2008 and earlier trucks. The 2009+ trucks came with this modification from the factory for the reason of improved mileage. Replacing the stock fan is a double edged sword. While it can yield decent mileage gains; quality connections, fans, and controllers should be used to avoid issues. Mechanical fans are almost worry free, efans done incorrectly can be a thorn in the side.
There are several other modifications that can be done, but have varied results impacting mileage. These include things such as tonneau covers, under drive pulleys, and throttle bodies. One modification that has no proven gains in fuel injected operation is the throttle body spacer. On the dyno and in the real world it has no proven gains. Here is a list of other “mods” tested that show no gains according to the FTC and EPA: http://www.ftc.gov/bcp/edu/pubs/cons...tos/aut10.shtm
5. Gearing: Many choose to go to larger tires and wonder why mileage has dropped. Beyond the obvious of adding additional resistance, the speedometer is also changed along with effective gear ratio. Changing the speedometer to read correctly, and thus make correct mileage calculations is a good first step. This can be done via a reflash at the dealer, or by any quality programmer. The issue still remains that the effective ratio has changed. Changing gears is costly and usually doesn’t make up for the mileage gain if any is seen, but your transmission will thank you by lasting longer. In general, gears shouldn’t be done for mileage if the tires, rims, and ride height is stock.


I’m sure I’ve forgotten several points and made several spelling and grammatical flaws, but I’ve spent a few hours looking at a computer screen so frankly I really don’t care. Feel free to PM me if you feel I made an error or want me to add more to this mileage excerpt. I’d like to thank bobkyle2 for alerting me to the thread and inviting me to share my automotive knowledge.

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Old 07-08-2016, 10:15 PM
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I have a 2015 Plat with 3.55 rear. My MPGs dropped 2-3 all of a sudden. I don't know why but I was getting 16/20. Now I'm getting 14/17ish
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We took a Vacation from Littleton Co. to Las Vegas Nevada.
It was 750 miles each way.
My Highest M.P.G. was with my 2014, 3.5 Eco. 4x4, 3:55 rear end, was 25.2M.P.G.
I tried to drive around 5 miles under the speed limit. After you get to Vail it's a lot of down hill driving except some places in Utah where the Speed Limit goes to 80M.P.H.
I used Cruise Control as much as I could.
When going Down Hill I took Cruse Control OFF. Cruse Control will rev up your R.P.M.'s going down hill to keep your speed from rising. Higher R.P.M.= more Gasoline.
You can Coast down hill, most of the time.
That's it.
The 25.2 was reach from St. George Utah to Las Vegas. Using no Air Condition. It was down hill most of the way.

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Originally Posted by nathan_nathaniel
I had a 2011 EB for over 4 years, so I have experience with what to expect for gas consumption. The '11 would normally get 21mpg on the highway at 70mph, although it could drop to 17mpg if the road was hilly. I got about 15.5 to 16mpg around the city. The truck had 3.73 axle.

My new 2015 EB is strange. Around the city I am getting 17 - 18mpg (sometimes better), but on the highway, it drops to 16 - 17mpg or worse. How can this be? My '15 has a 3.55 axle.

For example (very usual), last Sunday I drove 12 miles across the city in traffic after filling the tank, and the mpg was 21mpg on that portion of my drive. Then I drove 18 miles on the highway, and watched my mpg drop from 21 to 16mpg in just those 18 miles.

I now have almost 5,000 miles on the truck, and the average for the entire 5,000 miles is over 16mpg. This truck has rarely been on a highway drive, so all those miles (and that mpg is city driving).

This is not a disaster for me, since 95% of my driving is city, but it puzzles me.

2011 EB = 21 HWY / 16 CITY
2015 EB = 16 HWY / 18 CITY
I am having the same problem. I get about 17-18 mpg in the city but highway is horrible at 16-17 mpg. I know that speed and hills kill your mpg but I was wondering if I was the only one.
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86 Lariat XLT with the 5.0L 302.... I'm lucky if I hit 14 highway.
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Originally Posted by eyeflyone2
My only complaint: the doors on the Scab have to be SLAMMED to be firmly shut.
Join the club. The passenger door on my Scab is fine. Closes normally. Driver's door is horrible. Closes on the first try maybe 20% of the time. The Ford body shop has had it in twice for adjustments with no difference. The guy smile at me and says, "We see a lot of this. See how the back door compresses when you close your door? It's hard to fix this." Then I ask, "How come the passenger door closes fine?" And he just smiles at me, cuz of course, his answer is bs.

I talked to my nephew who is a Ford mechanic and shop foreman. He said there is probably something wrong with the latch. My own theory is that there is too much flex in the back "door," and if you could somehow tighten the back door, so it's latched more securely, the front door would have a firmer surface to close on.

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Originally Posted by SnowflakeF150
I have a 2015 Plat with 3.55 rear. My MPGs dropped 2-3 all of a sudden. I don't know why but I was getting 16/20. Now I'm getting 14/17ish
You didn't specify what mileage you have on your truck, but here are some things to check (presuming you haven't already done so).
1- Are you using a K&N Filter? If yes, remove it and go to an AiRaid dry filter. I used K&N for years, but had to change. For some reason, the heat in the 5.0 engine bay tends to cause the oil on the K&N to vaporize and get on the MAF sensor. Ask me how I know! The dry Airaid will give you the same efficiency without the oil problems.
2- Plugs: I presume you are still using the factory plugs. That work fine. Some suggest using E3 plugs, but I found them to be a little problematic. The Rotorcraft Platinum plugs work just fine.
3- Other fluids: I use all synthetic fluids in my '11 FX4 5.0. Main, front, and rear diffs are all Royal Purple. More expensive, but it has paid for itself and continues to run well.
4- Body: I presume you keep it clean and waxed. Dirt is not your friend.
5- Tires: If you're running your tires at the sticker pressure, that setting is more for comfort than handling and overall performance. I run mine at 5psi over the sticker, AKA 40psi. No difference in handling, but I do get a bit more mileage. If yours is a Platinum, I'm guessing you have the Pirellis, as I did. Worked really well for me. I'm not a hyper miler, but every bit helps.
Here are my numbers for reference (and I have a cab-high canopy always on it): In town, below 50: 17.5 - 19 mpg. Hwy, light load, below 70: 20.6 -23.3 Hwy, moderate load, above 70: 19.8 - 20.4. Towing 1500#, below 65: 18.5.
Hope this helps. Let us know how things work out.

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