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Old 09-17-2014, 12:36 AM
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Why do these threads always turn into a competition full of guys doing everything they can to prove their superiority by trying to prove another guy's purchase to be inferior in any number of different ways?

Anyway, nice looking truck you picked up Greg. I'm with you on the color matched bumper pad. If you decide to paint it down the road, consider doing your side view mirror caps as well, shouldn't cost much more if they're already doing the bumper pad
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^ Why do people create these threads knowing full well what they will turn into?
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Cause if Chrysler built quality products, Iacocca wouldn't have to have begged the government for money in the 80's. Then it was repeated in 2008. They should have died in the 80's not been a cancer on the American public. Should have closed them down like all the other brands before them.
You do realize that there were two HUGE reasons to keep Chrysler afloat:

1) The economy at the time was in the crapper. Stagflation made the great recession look like a kiddie party. In the GOOD areas of the country a help wanted ad would be answered by a line of applicants.

2) Strategic resources. Who owned the plant that makes M-1 tanks? Chrysler goes under, so does the tank factory, and the Cold war was still warm.
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Originally Posted by gone postal
You do realize that there were two HUGE reasons to keep Chrysler afloat:

1) The economy at the time was in the crapper. Stagflation made the great recession look like a kiddie party. In the GOOD areas of the country a help wanted ad would be answered by a line of applicants.
Short term pain for long term gain. Not to mention Chrysler sells, what, 1.5 million vehicles a year? You're not going to loose that many vehicles a year without someone buying up the plants. Along with those plants, you need workers so the jobs would have to be provided. I'm sure GM and Ford would have loved to sell another 500k-1m vehicles. And would have needed the plants and people to do it.

Can't remember when Chrysler bought Jeep but I'm sure someone would have picked up the brand. It was/is the only good thing Chrysler makes. I still think Dodge and Chrysler will be gone long term and it will be Fiat, Alfa, Ram and Jeep.

2) Strategic resources. Who owned the plant that makes M-1 tanks? Chrysler goes under, so does the tank factory, and the Cold war was still warm.
Really - the government could have bought that factory. Or forced some defense contractor to do it.

So, yeah there was no reason to save Chrysler. Or GM, really. Like any other bankrupt company let them be picked apart at auction.
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Not denying that. Ford screwed the pooch getting in bed with Microsoft. But that's a topic for another day.
Only in hindsight. In reality, they were 10 years ahead of the curve putting this kind of technology in mass produced cars. But as often happens with first movers, the second generation competitors are much better and existing product lines and associations makes change hard for the first movers.
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And remember folks. Gm went effectively bankrupt after 2 decades of annually selling more vehicles than any other manufacturer and before they had to pay for recalls galore.

Their problem wasn't sales or quality. It was the management writing checks to be cashed 20 years into the future with pensions, labor costs, supplier costs etc that killed them. Banking on past income trends to fund future payments is a gamble and when margins were squeezed the goose was cooked.

Only later did we find out that the cars were absolute dangerous crap.
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Wish I would have known he was looking for a Dodge, could have sold him our old one. I feel like Dodge's technology is a few years behind. The "cooled" seats didn't seem to make a difference in comparison to Ford. Also up till the 2014, the trucks tires were begging for an upgrade. But that's my opinion, and I will not shop for another one.
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Originally Posted by SteveLord
Why do people create these threads knowing full well what they will turn into?
Only one answer.

It's called trolling. Don't feed the trolls!
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Originally Posted by packplantpath

Only in hindsight. In reality, they were 10 years ahead of the curve putting this kind of technology in mass produced cars. But as often happens with first movers, the second generation competitors are much better and existing product lines and associations makes change hard for the first movers.
Yes they were revolutionary in implementing that awesome feature for sure. Who's better? And how? Sync is awesome, Chevys version sucks and dodge uconect worked good. Haven't used it much but initial tests revealed no problems. I preferred sync but maybe cause I'm used to it. I've had 3 different versions of sync, 08 10 and 13 and they work flawlessly. A few people with apple had issues but that's too be expected, the kind of people that buy apple are most generally the kind that don't know anything about technology or settings and updates and they frequently have user created problems with electronics. The 11 version had some bugs but im pretty sure they got that fixed. I have zero complaints with sync for any of the 3.

In fact the only actual issue ever was on the first one when I used an ipod, the POS has its own battery and OS and leaving it plugged in permanently resulted in it freezing up or the battery died and I had to reset it all the time. All problems disappeared when I discovered that you can use a usb flash drive instead. Those have worked flawlessly without issue for many years and still do. I've had multiple phones on that time, Blackberrys and android and zero issue with any of those as well.
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Originally Posted by gregsf150stx
the 20 inch tire option on the express were HUGE and rode like crap.

The RAM tires/wheels are 17 inch. they look alot better than the ones I had on my last F150...
Personal preference on the looks I guess, but 20s don't ride any different, and I put 24s on mine and there was no noticable difference. Your rubber flexes minimally if it's properly inflated, the extra 1.5 inches that a 17 has is only gonna give you maybe a 1/4 inch more spring if even that on the highway. A little more if you're hitting a curb or something big. You can't even feel the difference. Your ride is handled by the suspension.


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