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All hat,
While you make relevant points as to the increased safety, none of them refute the fact that the added safety features have driven up the cost of our trucks. Make them optional, not mandatory like the good nanny-state government demands...
Those that want them can pay for them.
So seat belts should be optional ??
Alot of people are pissed off they have to wear seatbelts and get tickets for them.
Well, unfortunately we can't have it MY WAY, where any knucklehead that kills themselves due to a no seat belt usage, should be forced to have THEIR family come clean up the mess ASAP. That , or your family gets charged 100% for the entire cleanup proceedings. That will quickly teach people a lesson no??? Hell, I'm all for personal responsibility, unless it's not a reality.
As a result Police and State Troopers are left with the mess along with EMT's, Coroners, and thousands of dollars wasted in investigations. Why?? Because some person who thought the Govt was the boogeyman decided not to wear their safety restraints.
So yeah, we shouldn't be forced to wear seat belts, but we expect or get the entitlement mentality that someone else is liable for our mess we leave behind ??? Kinda a joke........and this isn't a 3rd world country where you just push the carcass and smashed vehicles to the side of the road either.
People are often far too dumb to understand the implications of a 120-300lb meat sack unrestrained in a moving 5500lb cage ......the laws of physics don't cease to exist inside that cage. I think a case has been made before Congress as to why each and every safety feature was a necessity already.......and they ruled in favor of them.
I'm also sure many safety suggestions were denied.....
Last edited by CreepinDeth; 11-26-2014 at 07:18 AM.
As for government mandates, I remember my 1984 GMC pickup.
Were you privvy to the info about the 2,000 + deaths as a result of the poorly engineered saddle bag fuel tanks on 1973-1987 trucks GM refused to recall for ?? This is when the Govt stepped in and started slapping their hands for it.
Having lived through the automobile carnage of the 60's thru 80's, I get upset whenever someone says that the government should not have mandated safety features. After seeing numerous pictures on the front page of the papers showing people with their heads in the windshield, well...
As someone posted, if we, meaning the taxpayers, did not have to pay for cleaning up the mess on the highways, paying for long-term care for serious injuries, etc., then I could see the point. But we do pay. A lot.
Opinions are opinions, but numbers are numbers. You can't look at the numbers below and conclude anything but that 10's of thousands of lives are saved every year by seat belts and airbags. I bet someone reading this right now was saved from serious injury or death by airbags, or knows someone that was.
So compare the deaths, in the second column, to the total population, in the 5th column, and come to your own conclusions.
My original post appears to have taken a wrong turn at Albuquerque. LOL I have gotten really good info as to the actual "maintenance costs"of the diesel that I was not aware of. it appears the majority of responders feel the EcoBoost is the better choice for my highway family travel and occasional light tow. I am anxious to test drive the new 2.7 L EcoBoost when they start arriving in the Memphis area. But that darned Longhorn Laramie EcoDiesel was Really nice inside and the thought of 28 mpg. Gave me got me excited.
Sorry for the detour conversations. Back on track.....
Originally Posted by D-Mac
But that darned Longhorn Laramie EcoDiesel was Really nice inside and the thought of 28 mpg. Gave me got me excited.
My brother bought a 2013 Ram 1500 Longhorn Laramie with the basketball colored leather. Now mind you prior to 2008 remodel, I've thought RAM had the absolute most junk blah boring interiors in any truck made to date. Holy crap did my opinion change when I sat in this truck. I couldn't believe how RAM catapulted itself into luxury truck interior category with the super thick Lexus quality leather interiors and designs of the Longhorn Laramie.
I have a 2013 FX4 with the appearance, and his interior still blows mine away, zero competition. If interiors were my only consideration, The RAM destroys anything Ford puts out. It's amazing how much attention to detail in design RAM really stepped it up and even got on Wards 10 best interiors list. I also would be too afraid to buy a 2015 F150 2.7L EB for several reasons.
#1. First year production 3.5L EcoBoosts in 2011 were plagued badly.
#2. First year production all aluminum bodies will have minimal qualified repair facilities which equates to higher costs of repairs and limited options
#3. Higher insurance more then likely as a result of #2.
I would at least wait til 2016 before buying a new F150....let the body shop industry catch up a little.
Last edited by CreepinDeth; 11-27-2014 at 07:51 AM.
#1. First year production 3.5L EcoBoosts in 2011 were plagued badly.
The issues seem a lot more wide spread on the forums than what I've seen in person. I had an '11 for 3.5 years and never had any issues with it. I also know several other people around here that haven't had any issues with theirs.
Not all Ford 6.0L Powerstroke buyers were upset with their purchases either.
I have a buddy who has owned one and loved it, and did the proper research to understand the flaws.
Keep in mind Ford is still the #1 selling truck in America so that's quite a lot of buyers.
Doesn't escape the fact that the issues were most definitely present in large quantities.
As with anything, we're talking %'s, the larger the %, the greater the chance you are one of the statistics.
You can talk to 10 Chevy Corvair owners and you'll get a mixed return on reviews.
Last edited by CreepinDeth; 11-27-2014 at 08:26 AM.
Doesn't escape the fact that the issues were most definitely present in large quantities.
I wouldn't call the actual percentage large. But it's seems large if you read the forums because a lot of those people joined the forums to seek resolution for their problems.
You can talk to 10 Chevy Corvair owners and you'll get a mixed return on reviews.
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I have a buddy that has owned several Corvairs over the years and still has one.
11-26-2014, 06:49 AM
