EcoBrook

First off...only on single cab 2wd 5.0s....
https://www.fleet.ford.com/truckbbas...tes_010815.pdf

Now.... Trailer weights are independent of GVWR (therfore doesnt affect payload), but the tongue weight must be included in the axle rating (GAWR)...

rear axle rating = 4800 lb
weight of truck at rear axle, empty = 1843 lb
Tongue weight of trailer = 900 lb, plus the weight that was taken off the front wheels (lets say 33% of that due to the moment arms due to a bumper pull - thats why the front suspension spreads out with a heavy tongue load), so a total weight of approx 1200 was added to the rear axle. that is 3050 lbs approximately when considering truck weight plus tongue weight, which only leaves you 1750 lbs of capacity on the rear axle (bed capacity), and that isnt even accounting for passengers contributing to the load on the rear axle.

So, 3300 lb payload minus the 1750 in the bed leaves 1,550 lb of payload. Can I ask you how you are going to put all of that additional 1550 lb on the front axle only? You cant. The payload is bogus if pulling a trailer.


Ram does it right in their calcs...
For a 2500, here are the numbers:

2100 lb payload
6500 GAWR on the rear axle
10000 lb GVWR
3000 lb rear axle weight when empty.

So....lets say I put 1900 in the bed, leaves the 200 lb of the payload for me to ride in the truck. Well 3000 lb rear axle weigh plus 1900 in bed is 4900 lb on the rear axle...but wait...the GAWR for the rear is 6500, so that means I can haul a trailer with a 1600 lb tongue weight, and have 1900 lb in the bed....


So ford gave you the payload of a truck hauling no trailer. Ram gave you the payload for the truck hauling the heaviest trailer allowed. Basically, if I didnt have the trailer tongue weight, my payload would be 3700 lb based on the GAWR for the rear axle by Ford's standards.


Not to mention, when they put those softer spring rates to maintain the ride quality on a lighter aluminum truck...you will be riding on your bump stops if you put that much weight in the bed. Say one 200 lb person in the truck...so 3100 lb in the bed right? ok...at a rate of 300 lb per inch per spring, 600 lbs will compress the back end down 1 inch. does your 2wd f150 have 5 inches of uptravel? I doubt it. Have fun riding on them bump stops unless you put some airbags on it.

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so you're comparing a 2500 to a F150? you know one is called "light duty" and the other one HD for likely the very reason you pointed out... have you looked at the F250/350? (I havent, I'm just saying)...

anyway, I'm no towing pro but by the reading I have done around here, that shouldn't come as a big surprise to anyone...

EcoBrook

not trying to compare the two truck's capabilities...just showing how Ford embelishes the payload by not considering it when the truck is towing. Same thing on the 3/4s and tons. Again, not comparing the trucks...just the calc methods. If I was comparing trucks just by the "payload" numbers...the F150 blows away a 3/4 ton Ram, but I think everyone can agree that the plush ride of a half ton is not going to blow away the load capacities of a HD truck, when considered on the same playing field.

Thus...advertising "best in class payload" at 3300 lb compared to Chevy and Ram at under 2k....is false advertising considering the calcs are not performed on the same basis. Probably would still be best in class, but certainly not by that margin.

gone postal

When advertisers start telling the complete, unbiased truth start looking for a red guy with a pointed tail on skis wearing a parka.

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Marketing > Payload

Wiggum

Ford is NOT lying about payload ... they are just letting you know the MAX AVAILABLE PAYLOAD the truck can handle. If they said that you could load up the truck like that WITH 4 300lbs dudes in the truck, and a max tongue weight trailer connected, THEN they would be lying.

It's all marketing, and showing off the truck at it's best.

if you listen to the commercials they are running now, they mention "best payload", and "best towing" ... but THEN qualify that by telling you that the max advertised payload is dependent on truck configuration ... same with the max towing ability.

Everything comes with a price ... you cant' max tow and max payload at the same time ... but you CAN reach the max payload as a combination of what's in the bed + who's in the truck + whatever the tongue weight of your trailer is ...

Either way, you're still loading the rear axle to the max ... just not all w/ stuff you've dumped into the truck bed.

All Hat No Cattle

So we should consider the 1390# payload with 10k towing?

Or the 1600# payload with 4,100# standard towing? Does anyone else make a 4x4 full size pickup with 4,100# standard towing rating?

Or lets go to that big, bad 5.7 Hemi. Then we can have a 1,060# payload. Yeah, that's it.

Decisions,decisions.

EcoBrook

Typical Butt Hurt Ford Owner, assuming I am dissing the truck. Did I ever put the truck itself down? No. I just stated that they do their numbers differently than Ram and Chevy in order to make themselves look way better...when in reality it may only be a few hundred pounds if compared in the same manner.

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there must be another reason for that. There's no way in hell that RAM would "under-rate" their trucks just for the hell of it. Do you see the marketing war between Ford and RAM about their HD trucks, whether the 450 is a "passenger" or "commercial" truck, and all that BS???

It's no different for the "1/2 ton" trucks. I get what you're saying but there's gotta be more to it...

All Hat No Cattle

I find it interesting that when you post actual specs from another truck's website, you become a "Ford Fanboy". Oh well.


This may explain some of it. Ram seems to have chosen soft ride over load capacity. They have made a passenger vehicle that looks like a truck.

http://www.caranddriver.com/comparis...rew-cab-page-3