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Old 11-18-2016, 08:20 PM
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Originally Posted by zukmeister
well if you're correct my good friend, i'm about to tune the sh*t out of my 5.0 GT and the 3.5 eco


LOL. Just don't go crazy and make windows in your engine block. That type of warranty claim would prompt Ford to request the pcm for analysis at a deeper level. I know dealer level can't tell if the software has been tampered with, when it hits corporate level all bets are off.

I've been running an MPT Race tune as a DD for a few months, love the way my truck runs, not so much at the fuel pump but hey, gotta pay to play.

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Old 12-02-2016, 02:31 AM
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So I got my OBDLink MX, got the Forscan extended licencse. Can load up the modules and all just fine. Only problem is now that I downloaded the "asbuilt" file from motorcraft, how do I actually upload it into Forscan so I can overwrite the pcm? The asbuilt file is an "ab" file extension, while the Forscan uses "abt" files. I want to return my trucks computer back to stock and "overwrite" the tuner the previous owner installed. Any ideas?
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It's probably not even tuned. It may have been tuned at some point, but I doubt the PO got rid of the truck without re-loading the stock tune.
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Originally Posted by NASSTY
It's probably not even tuned. It may have been tuned at some point, but I doubt the PO got rid of the truck without re-loading the stock tune.

You might be right, but a few issues make me think otherwise. One, when I put 87 octane gas and step on it, I can hear a bit of detonation. Makes me think it has a 91 octane tune on it. Also, gas mileage I'm averaging 12mpg in mixed driving. On the highway, I hyper-mile it and still cant get it over 14.5 or 15 on the flat highway going 65mph. But my main concern is the warranty. I have a possible major mechanical issue that just came up with the 4wd. I put it into 4 high on a rainy day 2 days ago and heard a loud "bang!" and then felt a clunking until I put it back to 2wd. I tried it twice more over the the last 2 days with the same result. I'm afraid a hub or solenoid is damaged. This will be my 2nd repair in a month and I'm worried they may dig a little more as to why. All the more reason for me to be sure I put the stock asbuilt file on if possible.
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This is the only thing I came up with so far with the asbuilt file. I am using the asbuilt comparo tool. I went through every control module one by one to see if there were any differences. On the bdyCM module it came up with 2 different lines of code. Not sure if the bdyCM would have anything to do with engine tuning or not? Here is screen shots of the code. Any ideas as to what this might be?
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Sorry bud, your MPG isn't going to get much better than that. I wouldn't blame the MPG on a tune. If a dealer wants to dig they can tell whether your truck has ever had a tune anyway so it won't matter if you have a tune and return it to stock anyway. If they want to find out they can.
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Originally Posted by Adam013085
If a dealer wants to dig they can tell whether your truck has ever had a tune anyway
Erroneous information. The dealer has NO way to tell, how do I know you ask? Because I am/was a dealer tech and have my own set of electronic diagnostic soft/hardware, same stuff I used while still working at one.

There is NOT one single bit of information that can be gleaned using dealer level technology, if,... big IF there was a question from Ford that the system was modified they would have the PCM sent in for in-depth analysis, then and ONLY then would it be possible for them to actually determine if the system was compromised by non oem programming.

However, .... if your vehicle is still tuned when the dealer accesses it, then yeah they can tell, the diagnostic equipment will see a code for an incorrect calibration.
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OP, since the advice you are getting here seems somewhat contradictory, maybe you should do your own research, and make your own decisions.

For instance, I just Googled "can a ford dealer tell if a vehicle has ever been tuned?"

Here is what Stage 3 Motorsports says, 7th or 8th hit down. Wow!!.
I have to give them credit for being completely honest upfront!

By far and away the most frequently asked question when it comes to performance tuning of a given vehicle's Powertrain Control Module (PCM) or Engine Control Unit (ECU) is "will this void my warranty?" The short answer is yes, unequivocally and absolutely yes. Performance software tuning of your vehicle's computer will practically always void and Powertrain Warranty that your car or truck may or may not have. "But Stage 3," you say, "what about the Magnusson-Moss Warranty Act, running the vehicle through a drive cycle before I go into the dealer, or running down my battery to hide my tune?" There are some ways where you're still protected and ways that you can possibly hide a performance tune from the prying eyes of Ford and your dealership. So the long answer to the initial question is "yes, but..." The fact is that the whole tuning/warranty situation is pretty sticky and complex, but there is a good reason that we at Stage 3 tell you that your warranty will definitely be voided while the other guys beat around the bush or even lie through their teeth: we're looking out for you and your vehicle's best interest.
First, what does it actually mean when a "warranty is voided" by a tune. Well, your car or truck is covered by a manufacturer's warranty for basically every single component on your vehicle of choice. The specific warranty in question is your vehicle's Powertrain Warranty covering your engine, transmission, driveline, and their various components. When a warranty is "voided", it's specifically related to your vehicle's Powertrain and its related components. Meaning if you tune your vehicle and your window regulator goes out, your window regulator would still be replaced under warranty, given that it's not a system that's effected by a tune. So, when we say your vehicle's warranty is voided by a tune, it doesn't mean that Ford and your dealership will completely kick you to the curb. They just won't cover any Powertrain-related repair of replacement if they discover that your vehicle has a performance tune in it or has ran performance tuning in the past.
Now, you may hear something or other about being protected by the Magnusson-Moss Warranty Act of 1975, which you technically are, since the Act requires a burden of proof from the manufacturer or dealer that a particular aftermarket part, accessory, or tune led to an engine failure or other issue. That being said, Ford and dealerships have much more money and a much larger legal team than you, and a drawn-out court battle with a judge that may or may not understand some of the finer points of the aftermarket or tuning will more than likely cost you more than new motor and still leave you footing the bill for full crate engine or long block if something catastrophic did in fact occur. So, while you're technically "protected" to some extent, the real-world practical issues leave a lot to be desired. Still, if you put a tune in your vehicle, but have a problem with something that is totally unrelated to the tune or powertrain (i.e. your window regulator, door locks, A/C, power steering, etc.), then those repairs would be covered.
We'll be honest with you, there are a few ways to "hide" a tune from your dealer, at least, depending on the model. If you're able to return your vehicle to its stock tune with your tuning device and then complete a full drive cycle of anywhere from 50 to 100 miles (depending on the vehicle and its modifications), then your past tune generally won't be detected at a dealership level. While that's all well and good, you're going to have a hell of a time completing a drive cycle with a hole in your block from a thrown rod while pouring oil everywhere except where it needs to be. While we've heard that discharging your battery completely in the event of totally blown motor can also hide a tune, that's sill remarkably fishy, and any dealership worth a damn is going to send your vehicle's computer off to Ford for further analysis. Which brings us to our second point: even if you do manage to sneak a tune past your dealership, you won't get it past Ford itself. If Ford requests a PCM or ECU be sent to them in regards to a warranty claim, they'll go through its software and firmware line by line, piece of code by piece of code, and if there's anything there to find, they will find it, and it's going to ruin your day. You may say "But this dude or that person on the forum got away with it!" Good for them, but the risk is always there.
So, that's why we here at Stage 3 tell you up front that a tune, custom tune, or a particular part will void your warranty up front. In the end, we care more about what's best for you and your vehicle than making a sale. With as much confidence that we have that the tuners we personally use for our custom tuning and general performance tunes won't harm your engine, we want you to know up front the risks and possible issues that may result from tuning your vehicle. We earnestly believe that our tunes and custom tunes can last a well-maintained vehicle its entire life, but manufacturing errors, weird environmental conditions, or malfunctions do occur. If you have any further questions or concerns, give us a call at 1-877-578-2433, and we'll be glad to talk to you.
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Originally Posted by All Hat No Cattle
OP, since the advice you are getting here seems somewhat contradictory, maybe you should do your own research, and make your own decisions.

For instance, I just Googled "can a ford dealer tell if a vehicle has ever been tuned?"

Here is what Stage 3 Motorsports says, 7th or 8th hit down. Wow!!.
I have to give them credit for being completely honest upfront!
Thanks for the input. Yes I've read this same information on stage 3 motorsports. I actually called them and asked if I purchase a tuner will I be able to load the stock tune, the answer was no. It only backs up what's already there. Im convinced there IS a tune on the truck. That's why I started this thread, to find out how I can return my truck to stock tune. I'm hoping the forscan tool will help me accomplish this, but need help with how to load an asbuilt file into the pcm. Anyone been successful at this?




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