2014 3.5 Ecoboost Need help, how to remove tuner?
11-16-2016, 06:23 PM
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Okay, that makes me feel better! Also, I found a wrecked truck locally and returned the truck to stock air intake and stock exhaust. Much quieter now! And the power seems unchanged. I called a local Ford performance store and they told me "if your truck is still married to an SCT or other tuner, you won't be able to flash it with another tuner". They recommended I take it to Ford and ask them to "flash it back to stock". Which he thought was around $150. Not sure if thats smart though. 
All you need is a $20 or less Bluetooth/Wifi OBDII dongle from Amazon or other and a Windows laptop or tablet, the software is free.
More information on this link,... https://www.f150forum.com/f38/forsca...ations-349018/
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thejet95 (11-16-2016)
11-16-2016, 06:27 PM
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Also a few posts up that showed the bulletin for service techs, it shows a P1000 code would show the PCM possibly had been reflashed, but then below that shows that a battery disconnect could cause the P1000 code, and without evidence of other modifications, the repair would be covered under warranty. Unless I'm misreading that...Either way, I need to make sure I have an actual Ford OEM tune on my truck. Just not sure how I can do that without going to a dealer.
Follow my previous post to fix your concern.
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thejet95 (11-16-2016)
11-16-2016, 06:50 PM
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does this mean that the "as built" data is hard coded into the ECM and can be retrieved at any time? Why do SCT tuners then "download and store" the stock tune to return it to stock and not just reflash the hard code as-built info? Does Forscan have access to the as-built data for all ford vehicles?
Correct, notice the flow chart directing the tech to "ask" if the battery was disconnected or other? Who in their right mind is going to say "hey man yeah I had a 500hp custom tune calibration loaded before I had windows in my engine block". LMAO
Follow my previous post to fix your concern.
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Follow my previous post to fix your concern.
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Last edited by tcp2; 11-16-2016 at 06:52 PM.
11-16-2016, 07:18 PM
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You can flash your truck back to asbuilt (stock) using Forscan, it has the same capability as Ford's IDS in that capacity, (wish I'd known about it before I launched $2,200 for my own IDS).
All you need is a $20 or less Bluetooth/Wifi OBDII dongle from Amazon or other and a Windows laptop or tablet, the software is free.
More information on this link,... https://www.f150forum.com/f38/forsca...ations-349018/
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All you need is a $20 or less Bluetooth/Wifi OBDII dongle from Amazon or other and a Windows laptop or tablet, the software is free.
More information on this link,... https://www.f150forum.com/f38/forsca...ations-349018/
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I'll wait until factory warranty is up before I go for the 500hp engine!
11-16-2016, 07:38 PM
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does this mean that the "as built" data is hard coded into the ECM and can be retrieved at any time? Why do SCT tuners then "download and store" the stock tune to return it to stock and not just reflash the hard code as-built info? Does Forscan have access to the as-built data for all ford vehicles?
Save it somewhere you can find it later, the instructions tell you to save it to a specific folder but that only applies to those using IDS so the program can retrieve it, with Forscan you just point it to where you saved it.
By ALL means!!! Get familiar with Forscan and save your as built data so if you screw up during the learning curve, you can always go back to day 1 before you even test drove the truck. Everything else is covered on the link I provided earlier. This is the equivalent of rooting an android cell phone or jail breaking an iPhone.
YOU CAN BRICK YOUR TRUCK!!!
As built data will repair it when applied with IDS or Forscan.
This works for ALL Ford, Lincoln, Mercury 1996 to date.
As for your SCT why question,.... there is always a starting block to go or build from. Why build a cabin from trees growing when you can build it from logs already on the ground?
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thejet95 (11-16-2016)
11-16-2016, 10:34 PM
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As built is data flashed to the pcm somewhere along the line when the vehicle is being assembled, yes it can be loaded (flashed at will anytime), you can download it from https://www.motorcraftservice.com/asbuilt , just enter your vin#, save, done.
Save it somewhere you can find it later, the instructions tell you to save it to a specific folder but that only applies to those using IDS so the program can retrieve it, with Forscan you just point it to where you saved it.
By ALL means!!! Get familiar with Forscan and save your as built data so if you screw up during the learning curve, you can always go back to day 1 before you even test drove the truck. Everything else is covered on the link I provided earlier. This is the equivalent of rooting an android cell phone or jail breaking an iPhone.
YOU CAN BRICK YOUR TRUCK!!!
As built data will repair it when applied with IDS or Forscan.
This works for ALL Ford, Lincoln, Mercury 1996 to date.
As for your SCT why question,.... there is always a starting block to go or build from. Why build a cabin from trees growing when you can build it from logs already on the ground?
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Save it somewhere you can find it later, the instructions tell you to save it to a specific folder but that only applies to those using IDS so the program can retrieve it, with Forscan you just point it to where you saved it.
By ALL means!!! Get familiar with Forscan and save your as built data so if you screw up during the learning curve, you can always go back to day 1 before you even test drove the truck. Everything else is covered on the link I provided earlier. This is the equivalent of rooting an android cell phone or jail breaking an iPhone.
YOU CAN BRICK YOUR TRUCK!!!
As built data will repair it when applied with IDS or Forscan.
This works for ALL Ford, Lincoln, Mercury 1996 to date.
As for your SCT why question,.... there is always a starting block to go or build from. Why build a cabin from trees growing when you can build it from logs already on the ground?
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11-16-2016, 11:17 PM
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Being you worked for Ford, it seems you know your stuff well enough. I want to purchase a SCT X4 for my 2011 Eco. I have 1 1/2 left on a power train. Is the SCT pretty safe with the canned tunes and will I notice a difference in power? I'm a light driver so no hauling butt, so I doubt my engine or turbos would be in danger, but you tell me. Sorry to the OP, not trying to hijack.
To realize the potential under the hood, a custom tune is the only way.
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11-17-2016, 07:45 AM
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Senior Member
Erroneous information! The only way IDS will see anything is if the truck is still tuned when the pcm is accessed.
Ford tech HQ might be able to detect it if the pcm is sent in but not in the field with IDS. I am Ford factory trained and well versed using IDS and ALL of it's functions, have been using it since it was called WDS back in the early 00's. Was a dealer line master tech for 11 years and have had to tell many of my customers to return to stock so I could accurately diagnose concerns they had (mostly Powerstroke diesels) but the same for gas.
Unless you have some proof otherwise that I am unaware of, if you do I would gladly investigate your findings to bolster your statement. I have my own IDS.
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Ford tech HQ might be able to detect it if the pcm is sent in but not in the field with IDS. I am Ford factory trained and well versed using IDS and ALL of it's functions, have been using it since it was called WDS back in the early 00's. Was a dealer line master tech for 11 years and have had to tell many of my customers to return to stock so I could accurately diagnose concerns they had (mostly Powerstroke diesels) but the same for gas.
Unless you have some proof otherwise that I am unaware of, if you do I would gladly investigate your findings to bolster your statement. I have my own IDS.
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That's very interesting, considering that other Ford Master Techs have stated that they CAN pull data using IDS that proves the ECU has been tuned in the past, and the full length version of the letter I posted on page 1 has directions on how to do so.
If it's my $35,000 truck, I'm not taking any chances. I think the OP should go to the dealership immediately and discuss his concerns with them. They should, in good faith, have a technician scan the truck to confirm whether it's stock or not and if not work with him accordingly on protection of his warranty.
11-17-2016, 10:25 AM
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That's very interesting, considering that other Ford Master Techs have stated that they CAN pull data using IDS that proves the ECU has been tuned in the past, and the full length version of the letter I posted on page 1 has directions on how to do so.
If it's my $35,000 truck, I'm not taking any chances. I think the OP should go to the dealership immediately and discuss his concerns with them. They should, in good faith, have a technician scan the truck to confirm whether it's stock or not and if not work with him accordingly on protection of his warranty.
If it's my $35,000 truck, I'm not taking any chances. I think the OP should go to the dealership immediately and discuss his concerns with them. They should, in good faith, have a technician scan the truck to confirm whether it's stock or not and if not work with him accordingly on protection of his warranty.
Can you post the full length version portion where it states the directions on how to definitively tell please. I would be interested in seeing that.
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RLXXI (11-17-2016)
11-17-2016, 04:54 PM
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Looks as though it tells the tech to ask if it was done. As far as I know, there are signs that it may have been altered but no definitive proof can be discerned, thus asking the customer.
Can you post the full length version portion where it states the directions on how to definitively tell please. I would be interested in seeing that.
Can you post the full length version portion where it states the directions on how to definitively tell please. I would be interested in seeing that.
