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Old 01-12-2014, 01:01 PM   #5261
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You expect any intelligent person to take you seriously, posting dribble like this?

That's some racist backhanded **** right there.

I was simply providing a few examples for how out of touch religion makes some people with the world around them, and you turned it into some racist attack on a guy who wasn't even part of the conversation..
Not the least bit clever, funny or original, just sad stuff.

Scrolling random pages of this thread though, seems like it's kind of accepted here
Aww. You can't take a joke??? I didn't mean to hurt your lil feewings. 😢

But to be clear... It was ok for the host to belittle a man for his beliefs, and even to say... "Haven't you ever seen a monkey?" Referencing the likeness? I just must not be as intelligent as you are. I'm probably too simple minded to understand the depth of your aptitude
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With the way things are going, aren't Republicans becoming a minority? It's funny how everyone is begging for equal treatment, yet there are almost no college scholarships for middle class white americans... most scholarships are specified for a certain ethnic group or religion.
You're a smart young man, my friend. Yes, the part of the population that you've referenced is the most discriminated against these days
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Religious beliefs have absolutely no place in government. They should be outlawed, it's a tool used to gain blind support.
The second any of these people start spouting religious beliefs off, they should be immediately fired from whichever position in government they hold.
Being a pastor would only help you relate to people that believe in that..stuff.

Religious beliefs should be outlawed? People in government should have no religious beliefs? If someone mentions their faith or belief they should be fired?

Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the government for a redress of grievances.

Just because they are in a government job their right to belief should not be infringed upon. By making a comment about religion in itself is not the same as congress making a law respecting an establishment of religion. What you are proposing is, in itself, against the Constitution as it would infringe upon the individuals right of religious belief(s). As for the "Being a pastor would only help you relate to people that believe in that..stuff" comment, you are simply showing your disdain for religion and those with faith. You have the right to believe what ever you like but you also feel you have a right to expect everyone to bow to your view. No one, in your opinion, should be allowed to mention anything that you personally do not believe in. Who the hell are you to hold your belief over others. You make comments and innuendos about persons of faith spouting religious beliefs off yet have no concern if someone wants to quell a basic Constitutional right. Just because someone takes public office doesn't mean they should check their faith at the door.

You sound like many of the religion bashing folks I have dealt with; Hateful towards anything that they personally do not believe in and living life with a big chip on their shoulder.
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Religious beliefs should be outlawed? People in government should have no religious beliefs? If someone mentions their faith or belief they should be fired?
I see you are good at taking things out of context.
I don't recall saying "religious beliefs should be outlawed."

They should be outlawed from government.
Outlawed as a tool to garner support for nothing other than.. their religious beliefs.

You'd be the type to whine about Obama promising handouts to minorities and poor to gain votes, yet would take no issue with some religious conservative telling everyone how we need god back in the country to guide us through everything in life.

The same way many here would accuse blacks of only voting black because he's black, yet take no issue with christian only voting christian because they're christian.

If someone uses their religious faith as leverage while running for office or defense for their archaic stance on social issues, yes, that should effect them negatively.

Like Huntman noted, it's a dying breed.
If every child was left to make their own choices on what to believe in life as an adult, without their parents trying to raise them to believe everything they were raised to believe, it probably wouldn't even be an issue at this point.
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You sound like many of the religion bashing folks I have dealt with; Hateful towards anything that they personally do not believe in

Ohhhhh the irony.
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Like Huntman noted, it's a dying breed.
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I see you are good at taking things out of context.
I don't recall saying "religious beliefs should be outlawed."
That is, to the word, the exact thing you said.

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They should be outlawed from government.
Outlawed as a tool to garner support for nothing other than.. their religious beliefs.
You now try to separate a persons belief from a governmental one. The problem here is you are wanting to "outlaw" and individuals belief; the government is Constitutional bound to not recognize an establishment of religion


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You'd be the type to whine about Obama promising handouts to minorities and poor to gain votes, yet would take no issue with some religious conservative telling everyone how we need god back in the country to guide us through everything in life.
I never once said anything like that but since you brought it up................I am against anyone who promise free stuff at the expense of the tax payer to gain votes. Your second example has nothing to do with promising to giving my money away. If someone is campaigning on the principle of any particular faith and you don't like it, don't vote for them.

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The same way many here would accuse blacks of only voting black because he's black, yet take no issue with christian only voting christian because they're christian.
Couple things here. First, being "black" is not, in itself, a belief: being "Christian" is. Second, voting for someone blindly based on skin, gender or a particular belief is stupid.

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If someone uses their religious faith as leverage while running for office or defense for their archaic stance on social issues, yes, that should effect them negatively.
It will affect them based on how the voters feel towards their stance on issues. As for a religious belief being "archaic", we get it; you hate people of faith who don't hide from it.


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Like Huntman noted, it's a dying breed.
If every child was left to make their own choices on what to believe in life as an adult, without their parents trying to raise them to believe everything they were raised to believe, it probably wouldn't even be an issue at this point.
So if a parent is an atheist do they not try to raise their children in that belief, or is that OK because it conforms to what you see as right and not archaic?

You have shared your belief with us, I have not. I can make conclusions to your views based on what you have posted, don't try to do the same with me until you know a bit more about me.

I do not believe in organized religion. I do not believe solely in any one theory of how and why we, and every thing around us, are here. I have, in the past, shared some of my thoughts on the matter but at no time have I stated I believe in the institution of man created religions. I do, however, believe in something greater than us all: A God. Please refrain from confusing the belief in a God with mans inventions of religions to worship said God.

I also believe in the rights of others to have their own beliefs without me injecting my views upon them, as if I am somehow better based on my view. Believe in God, don't believe in God, worship Zog the Space God............I don't care. I am a Libertarian; I don't need to agree with someone to support their right to their belief. I leave that to the Republicans and Democrats.
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Religious beliefs should be outlawed? People in government should have no religious beliefs? If someone mentions their faith or belief they should be fired?

Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the government for a redress of grievances.

Just because they are in a government job their right to belief should not be infringed upon. By making a comment about religion in itself is not the same as congress making a law respecting an establishment of religion. What you are proposing is, in itself, against the Constitution as it would infringe upon the individuals right of religious belief(s). As for the "Being a pastor would only help you relate to people that believe in that..stuff" comment, you are simply showing your disdain for religion and those with faith. You have the right to believe what ever you like but you also feel you have a right to expect everyone to bow to your view. No one, in your opinion, should be allowed to mention anything that you personally do not believe in. Who the hell are you to hold your belief over others. You make comments and innuendos about persons of faith spouting religious beliefs off yet have no concern if someone wants to quell a basic Constitutional right. Just because someone takes public office doesn't mean they should check their faith at the door.

You sound like many of the religion bashing folks I have dealt with; Hateful towards anything that they personally do not believe in and living life with a big chip on their shoulder.
It becomes difficult for me to understand how we ignore something, or a God, that our country was founded upon. I know it is a hobby of our government to ignore the history of our country as well as our constitution... But even down to the money... I don't recall ever learning of handouts being a part of that? Yet even the money that we ALL have, be it earned or some that was taken from a working American to give to a non working person, is all printed with God on it? I believe it first appeared on coinage in the 1860's?
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Hillary would win just because a woman never has. People want to see history made.

This is one of the scariest things posted so far.....simply because it's the truth.
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That is, to the word, the exact thing you said.

You now try to separate a persons belief from a governmental one. The problem here is you are wanting to "outlaw" and individuals belief; the government is Constitutional bound to not recognize an establishment of religion

I never once said anything like that but since you brought it up................I am against anyone who promise free stuff at the expense of the tax payer to gain votes. Your second example has nothing to do with promising to giving my money away. If someone is campaigning on the principle of any particular faith and you don't like it, don't vote for them.

Couple things here. First, being "black" is not, in itself, a belief: being "Christian" is. Second, voting for someone blindly based on skin, gender or a particular belief is stupid.

It will affect them based on how the voters feel towards their stance on issues. As for a religious belief being "archaic", we get it; you hate people of faith who don't hide from it.

So if a parent is an atheist do they not try to raise their children in that belief, or is that OK because it conforms to what you see as right and not archaic?

You have shared your belief with us, I have not. I can make conclusions to your views based on what you have posted, don't try to do the same with me until you know a bit more about me.

I do not believe in organized religion. I do not believe solely in any one theory of how and why we, and every thing around us, are here. I have, in the past, shared some of my thoughts on the matter but at no time have I stated I believe in the institution of man created religions. I do, however, believe in something greater than us all: A God. Please refrain from confusing the belief in a God with mans inventions of religions to worship said God.

I also believe in the rights of others to have their own beliefs without me injecting my views upon them, as if I am somehow better based on my view. Believe in God, don't believe in God, worship Zog the Space God............I don't care. I am a Libertarian; I don't need to agree with someone to support their right to their belief. I leave that to the Republicans and Democrats.
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