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Old 10-05-2012, 09:15 PM   #951
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I am absolutely serious!

Despite what you may want to think (excluding a few personalities on the airwaves) I never hear prejudice against Conservatives like I hear prejudice against Liberals as I do constantly from the people on this forum and many, many more forums like it as well as everywhere in our society where you go! I know of no Liberals that have such prejudicial, and low opinions of Conservatives as Conservatives have of Liberals. While Liberals are considered unrealistic idiots with no common sense, most Liberals think that Conservatives are good, intelligent people that simply base their decisions on different values and a different understanding of the world. Example: Many Conservatives are Christians that believe that man is born with original sin and therefore is innately evil and must be saved from his sinful nature by finding Jesus. Such a belief colors one's entire view of the world around him and the nature of man. Man is not born a blank slate to learn and develop... he is born evil! That beliefs affects social policies such as relate to our justice system and our educational system. If man is basically evil, then punishment for his sins in prison and helping him find Jesus makes more sense than believing as a Liberal might.... that people are less likely to commit crimes if our schools have the resources to educate them with high tech skills allowing them to step into high paying jobs right out of high school instead of having them try to get what they see others have through committing crimes! Germany spends more money providing a High Tech, State of the Art Education of marketable skills for kids and less to build prisons to punish people into good behavior labeling them as felons that no one wants to employ. That doesn't mean I think less of a Conservative that makes these judgements.... I just disagree as to whether more and more prisons work better than money spent on state of the art educational programs that create productive citizens with marketable skills! A state of the art education is far cheaper than housing more and more and more people with no skills in prisons, but we choose building prisons over providing a state of the art education leading directly to a job at graduation. People Like Obama and myself simply don't agree with Conservatives as to how to solve the problem! I choose social programs like providing a state of the art education that leads directly to a 21st Century job over building more and more and more prisons!

The difference between us is that I don't disrespect you!
I don't know if you have blocked my posts or not. I have posted the Mother Jone's transcripts stating exactly what Mitt said. Just like the "You didn't build that" line was pushed by the right you and other liberals are pushing this. When I read your post it is almost as if it's straight from the liberal newsletter. I see the same from the right on other issues. I have posted items that Obama has done that I agree with in this and the last thread. Grant it they were few and far between but I have not been solely on the side of the Republicans.

It doesn't matter what we say, post or prove. You are set in your views. I'm not bashing you for that but you do need to come to that realization. I've never berated you or called you names. I have always done my best to substantiate my responses when I disagree with you but that generally results in a mishmash response and random placement of quotes and re-quotes that still don't bolster your side. Then you get hateful or say you are done with the matter and act like I or others are to blinded or stupid to understand. You imply that the right is the 99% when it comes to a perceived prejudice towards a political party. The comments made by a large number of those on the left towards Sara Palin, the Tea Party, Republicans and Libertarians (just to name a few) are off the scale. The Republicans are not off the hook. I catch grief from them for us Libertarians spoiling local elections by supporting a Libertarian and thus "taking" a vote away from the Republican. I have never, ever been treated as bad as I have from Liberals though. I'm anything from simply ignorant, anti-government or a racist. None of these have I ever been called by a Republican.

You like social programs and want the federal government to use tax dollars to fund everything from medical to education and a thousand things in between. You tout how other countries are doing it and are happy with their country's government taking care of them. I'm happy with sticking to the U.S. Constitution. The federal government has no legal right over education, nor medical or many of the other programs they are forcing upon the states.

Lastly I leave you with this link.

http://www.cato.org/
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I guess I might as well be real stupid and respond to you too knowing I'll be sorry!

Obama's belief and mine too is that the nearly 19% of GNP going to healthcare costs is the biggest and most dangerous cause of our rising national debt that year after year has never been addressed. He is trying to do something to get it under control while certain Republicans have been committed to protecting the profits of those getting that nearly 19% of GNP in their pockets. We should be able to both "Walk and chew gum" at the same time! We need to "both" make Obamacare work and create jobs at the same time to reduce the national debt! Obama made the hard choice not to "kick the can down the road" of 19% of GNP being spent on healthcare when other countries cover every citizen with 8%! Saving 10% of GNP might just help lower our national debt! We hear it can't work even when we have the evidence of it working in other countries!

Too bad some Republicans won't stop protecting insurance and drug company profits and help Obama make it work by squeezing down the costs with their ideas! Countries around the world that spend only 8% GNP on healthcare still have caring doctors and good treatment! Don't beleive the propaganda of those getting the healthcare mess profits! Of course they don't want any change in the system they got fat on!
And it dose not do enough to regulate insurance and drug companies ? So it ends up being a money grab like the Supreme Court ruled !

I am sure a lot of people here would rather be driving a Raptor, or Platinum, or decked out SD ! But if you can not afford it then you can not afford it !
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I would have to question to some degree if there were other financial irresponsibilitys going on in the household, and the medical bills put them over the edge ?
Once again your data is incomplete ! While the concept of Obama care may be good in part, it can never truly succeed its financial saving intent in this country ! The American public has become accustomed to a Cadillac health care system on a Kia budget. The rest of the world tends to come here for their serious healthcare ! I would also speculate that the Europeans as a whole might be a healthier bunch ? There is no magic bullet fix for our system, but it really needs to be a group effort ?
I'll comment on the part about Europeans being healthier and that is extremely true. Very rarely do you see an obese person in Europe. Most are very fit but they also exert alot more energy. Also, a large steak there is around 4-6 oz whereas here that's considered small. They eat multiple sides of vegetables that most people here in the US would've never heard of (endive is one I never knew of, good if picked at the right time and cooked well). They are much more conscious about what they eat but that is also largely due to the fact that so much of their budget goes to food. The US has it cheap because of the vast amount of agricultural commodities grown here but we don't exert enough energy anymore to work off those cheap calories. That is one very large problem with the healthcare system is the overall unhealthiness of the American public.
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I'll comment on the part about Europeans being healthier and that is extremely true. Very rarely do you see an obese person in Europe. Most are very fit but they also exert alot more energy. Also, a large steak there is around 4-6 oz whereas here that's considered small. They eat multiple sides of vegetables that most people here in the US would've never heard of (endive is one I never knew of, good if picked at the right time and cooked well). They are much more conscious about what they eat but that is also largely due to the fact that so much of their budget goes to food. The US has it cheap because of the vast amount of agricultural commodities grown here but we don't exert enough energy anymore to work off those cheap calories. That is one very large problem with the healthcare system is the overall unhealthiness of the American public.
And this is Merica damn it ! Nobody's going to tell me I can't have that greasy double cheeseburger with everything on it, washed down by a 64 oz. soda!
Besides, Obamacare will save me !?
It's called personal responsibility !
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And this is Merica damn it ! Nobody's going to tell me I can't have that greasy double cheeseburger with everything on it, washed down by a 64 oz. soda!
Besides, Obamacare will save me !?
It's called personal responsibility !
IMO personal responsibility went down the ****ter at the same rate technology went on the rise.
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Is this the old, "Love it or leave it!" argument of the 60's returned! LOL!
And exactly how many times have you asked us "if you can find another country with lower taxes and better services why aren't you there?"

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We as a country, especially 25 and younger, have become too reliant on technology which is why so many don't pay attention/truly care about our current/future leadership. Many believe everything they see on social media sites and make judgements based off that, instead of an unbiased/true source.
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IMO personal responsibility went down the ****ter are the same rate technology went on the rise.
I will agree 100%. As I said in my long winded post, as long as they've got NFL and McDonalds, they're content with letting the gov't do what it wants. They don't care to hold them responsible for things they do wrong or praise them for things they do right and blindly vote for the guy they think is nicer. It's pathetic and I'm genuinely afraid of the rate at which people are content with mediocrity instead of striving to be better.
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And this is Merica damn it ! Nobody's going to tell me I can't have that greasy double cheeseburger with everything on it, washed down by a 64 oz. soda!
Besides, Obamacare will save me !?
It's called personal responsibility !
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