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Old 10-05-2012, 03:42 AM   #871
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[QUOTE=XtraLargeTall;2079855]You call Romney a flip-flopper but forget how bad Obama was. Selective amnesia maybe? Healthcare is a state issue, not a national one which is why "Romneycare" is acceptable to be put into place as opposed to "Obamacare".

(((Says who? Is that your decision, or Romney's to make like a King! How about we let the people of the U.S. decide, you know like a real democracy instead of feeding the insurance companies approaching 19% of our GNP when Great Britain other countries cover all their citizens for 8%!)))

The last paragraph can very well go for you as well. Every candidate changes some things in their beliefs but Obama was the worst flip-flopper I've ever seen! He doesn't even understand the basics of economics as was evident last night! Let alone what the national and state gov'ts are responsible for.

(((That seems to be the old rubber and glue defense! Obama does it too!)))
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Could we have the Youtube video of the Black woman talking about Obama phones posted every single day until we all believe 47% of Americans are just like that!

Can anyone direct me to a White person doing something we all would disagree with so I can assert that anyone that votes for Romney is just like that! Geez!
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Default "No Paper Ballot Systems"

I'll post this now because very few around here would be open to considering my point if Obama loses the election.

A computer scientist named Barbara Simons wrote a books documenting that our "No Paper Ballot Systems" are easy to hack and unreliable. A team was hired to alter the results in electronic voting machines and found it was possible to do so with every machine being used, and worse, after it was done there was to way to recreate the accurate vote tallies. The problem also extends to computerized voter roles. Voter suppression is very easily accomplished as was done in a past election. In Florida in heavily Democratic areas with the same name as a felon were stripped off the voter roles, and many did not have time to clear their names as the did not find out the could not vote until election day!

If Republicans or Democrats cannot trust the results of elections we are in big trouble, and I think we are already there! This election will very likely be tight and open to being stolen by such tactics! Many will deny what I'm saying until Romney loses by a very small margin.... then they will see my point!

Canada has all paper ballots and most of their tabulations are done within an hour of the close of the polls. There is no need to rely on computerized voting machines that can be hacked a change tight elections on way or the other. The author predicts that Virginia make be this years Florida because of the very poor Diebold machines they will use that have been outlawed in other state as unreliable.

Hopefully if there is a very tight election in a swing state the Supreme Court will follow the Constitution this time and let the state verify the result instead of overruling that states Supreme Court to give the electoral votes to one side or the other. Taking a little more time and doing a recount as was ordered by the Florida Supreme Court is better than wondering whether the election was stolen!

Of course partisan Republicans deny the possiblity that five Conservative Republican Justices of the Supreme Court overruled the Florida Supreme Court to benefit Bush, BUT THAT IS NOT MY POINT! That action left Democrats wondering if the election was fair, and that is not good for our country no matter who wins the election! I think we are setting ourselves up for a repeat of that problem with these paperless voting machines!
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Default Obama isn't a brawler, but he'd better learn!

Obama isn't a brawler, but he'd better learn!

The reality of Obama is that he is a professorial type, and he got his clock cleaned by Romney's excellent performance. I don't think he likes a brawling confrontational debate style. It's not him! He writes and delivers great speeches, but doesn't like low brow, emotional, verbal fist fights! I suspect most intelligent Democrats could have come up with better counters to Romney's attacks! Example: When Romeny said that the National Debt was growing under Obama's presidency, the obvious retort was, "That's because I've been cleaning up the tremendous mess your "trickle down" Republican party left me with that almost put us in a major depression!" Of course Republicans would deny that, .... but at least it was a response for the undecided voter! Obama seemed to think he could ignore Romney's attacks and make his case directly into the camera to the American people! He was wrong! Can you imagine if Bill Clinton could have spoken through Obama's mouth! At very least it would have been a real fight! Obama obviously tried not to get angry and attack back at Romney! That was a big, big mistake! I would love to see Professor Obama, just come out and say, "That's load of manure Mitt and you are smart enough to know it!" (or) "I had trouble preparing for this debate because you change your positions so often I had no idea what you'd stand for tonight!" (or) "Would you like to take some of my time to apologize to the 47% of Americans you got caught on a cell phone talking about as if they were dependent parasites!" A few shots like that might have thrown a wrench into Romney's offense by putting him on the defense instead of standing there and taking it!

Professor Obama better take off the gloves and start hitting back! Playing conservative and safe didn't work well against Romney's "A" game! Obama could have put the election away, but he didn't fight back! He better talk to Clinton about how to fight back in a brawl or he maybe looking for a new job! I suspect Biden would have done much better against Romney! Hell, I think most anyone would have done better!

I hope Professor Obama learned his lesson!
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Default Who are the 47% who pay no taxes and are dependent parisites?

Who are the 47% who pay no taxes and are dependent parisites?

That 47% applies only to federal income taxes, and does not include payroll taxes that
fund Social Security and Medicare and it doesn't count state and local taxes. 18% pay neither a federal income tax nor payroll taxes. But 45 states have a sales tax, so it's nearly impossible for even low-income Americans to avoid paying at least some taxes.

So who are the 47%? They are amde upf largely of three main groups:

The working poor. The earned income tax credit and the child credit can help families making $50,000 or more pay no taxes or get money back. About 60% of those not paying income taxes do contribute to payroll taxes -- which means they must have some source of earned income.

The elderly. An increased standard deduction for those over 65, and an exemption on part of Social Security earnings, means that many older Americans pay no income taxes -- even though most of them paid into the system through decades of paying taxes.
The low-income. A family of four claiming only the standard deduction and personal exemptions pays no federal income tax on its first $27,000 of income.

The disabled. Who are unable to work.

But not all non-taxpayers fit into those categories. Even the ultra-wealthy can avoid paying taxes -- for example, if their income comes from tax-exempt bonds. Tax Policy Center data show that perhaps 24,000 of the top 1% of earners pay no federal income taxes.

I personally know a Texan who built housing tracks in the area I live in. He told me when half drunk, that he payed little or no income tax after making multi millions every year! He said if you own your own business and you pay much in taxes you have the wrong tax attorney and are stupid! I built houses myself for a few years after retirement and found very quickly that I made much more money and payed far less taxes than I did out of my teaching salary without any cheating... and cheating would have been easy. Show me a guy crying about taxes and usually it will be a guy doing pretty damn well! Show me a country where life is better and taxes are much lower and then tell me why you haven't moved! Taxes are lower now than in many, many years and more and more people become millionaires while the Middle Class struggles!

So.... as Joey on Friends would say, "So how you doin'?


There are certainly people all through the income distributions who don't pay taxes, the 47% figure has risen because of high unemployment, and will fall again during the when things get better.

Romney is off base to suggest that those 47% support his opponent. Gallup's daily tracking poll shows that a third of those with incomes less than $24,000 support Romney, and half of retirement-age voters do. Those two groups together, and Obama has a slight lead, 49% to 43%, Gallup polls say.

In the video, Romney said that an identical percentage -- 47% -- "are dependent upon government" through entitlements. That figure is more open for debate.

Here's another thought, if people like Romney would stop trying to kill all the unions and reduce their profit making so that 98% of Americans could share more than 50% of the countries wealth maybe more families could pay some income tax! What a concept! How much wealth is enough Mitt! What does your religion say about that! Christianity leads one to believe when you have a hundred times more than you could ever need you might stop taking more and more and sending it to off shore accounts to avoid having it taxed by the country that has provided the opportunity to become rich! Giving money to your a church that will use some of it to fight Gays' being married in California doesn't take the place of letting the worker earn a better wage!

Cheney's Haliburton made tremendous profits from our wars and now has a headquarters in Dubai to avoid U.S. taxes! I hope Haliburton stays there and never gets another war profiting contract! Fat chance of that with this new approach toward patriotism which is get yours first and let others get theirs if they can!
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Democrats stand for deceit, evasion, misdirection and slander!

.... and prejudicial crap like this passes the test around here! Then some wonder whether, or not to believe the actual words said by Romney about the 47% of American parasites.
It's a republican thread...
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It's a republican thread...

Not completely, I'm not a Republican.
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My Loyalty Pledge To Romney!

I pledge now that if Gov. Romney wins that I will fully support him as my president and try to see everything he does in a trusting, positive light. I will not standby silently if Democrats make similarly long, biased, unamerican list of demeaning attacks on Romney as were made immediately on President Obama! I will defend Romney as strongly as I did Pres. Obama!

I will try to believe that whatever Romney has said or done in the past that I strongly disagreed with was necessary to become elected president in our money driven, "Bribes Are Free Speech" broken system of campaigning!

I will hope when Romney gets into office he will have the morals and strength of character he had as the Governor of Massachusetts when he created and supported Romneycare for the needs of the common man! I hope that he will not be pushed around by the extremists of the Tea party that controlled the past election.

I hope he will be a president for all Americans and that he does not dictate, but rather finds a way for Americans to democratically choose the social programs they want while teaching them they have to pay for them and make them fiscally sound! In doing that I hope he will save and improve Obamacare, Medicare and Social Security in their original forms by whatever political means necessary to make them sound fiscally, that is paying their own way!

I hope Romney will not have a Cheney as an advisor and will look at his love for his own children and then show real love for our children soldiers of our families in the very best way possible! That is, by not sending them to die in another Vietnam, Iraq or Afghanistan trying to "nation build" tribal countries into images of the U.S., when many of their people want a undemocratic government run by clerics of Islam, or the Taliban!

I Pledge to support Romney as my president always giving him the benefit of the doubt and my trust until his actions go against the needs of the common working man and make that impossible, which I hope will never happen!

Will you join me? Seriously, will you make this pledge with me to Romney?


Maybe, if Obama wins you might even consider making that pledge to Obama!


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