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Old 10-01-2012, 07:26 PM   #551
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HaHa ! Those guys at MSNBC are such jokers ! A credible news source such as this would NEVER try to mis-lead the public !

Hey Opinyawn, I think I might of missed something ? Could you please tell me who the 47% is ?
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Ok, now I'm going to tell you what I heard after listening many times. My guess is you won't agree, but what the hell.... I'll take a shot at it!

The video does explain itself!

After Romney introduced Ryan, I heard the crowd start out chanting Ryan-Ryan-Ryan and then Romney was added to the chant and it came out Ryan-Romney, Ryan-Romney! I think then Romney probably thought that was funny and jokingly corrected the crowd to chant to Romney-Ryan as the ticket goes!

The reaction of the Joe Scarborogh, an ex-Republican legislator, on MSNBC seemed to me to be that it could looked desperate when a candidate leads a cheer for himself if shown out of context! My take is that Romney was having fun with the crowd because their chant was backwards and he was reversing the chant to Romney-Ryan..

It is really stretching along way to get some MSNBC plot of it! Where's the big damage! Who cares? Nothing there! If they had falsified something like the 47% comments that could actually damage Romney I would see your point, but whatever you think they allegedly did does no political harm to Romney! Who cares! In fact it showed a pleasant sense of humor when Romney corrected the crowd.

Joe, the host, was likely reacting to how Romney would look pretty desperate and lame if the clip is edited to show..... Romney leading a chant for himself out of context!

No harm, no foul!
This is what drives me crazy about this country. We have a fiscal crisis of epic proportions and we care about the name order of a chant. All of these so called reporters have so little understanding of finance and accouinting that they cant talk about things that are actually important. they are utterly useless drones of politicians. now, the politicians are just as big of idiots. they dont want to address the finances because they simpoly are clueless. Ask the hard questions, does this affect our lives? our childrens lives? If yes, that is probably something we should be discussing. The saddest part is these moronic reporters are actually a part of the 1% in which the left (and many on the right) is complaining about.
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This is what drives me crazy about this country. We have a fiscal crisis of epic proportions and we care about the name order of a chant. All of these so called reporters have so little understanding of finance and accouinting that they cant talk about things that are actually important. they are utterly useless drones of politicians. now, the politicians are just as big of idiots. they dont want to address the finances because they simpoly are clueless. Ask the hard questions, does this affect our lives? our childrens lives? If yes, that is probably something we should be discussing. The saddest part is these moronic reporters are actually a part of the 1% in which the left (and many on the right) is complaining about.
I agree 100%! Noone has a clue how to get anything done because they're too busy being politicians. Most wouldn't know what an adjusting entry in accounting is let alone how to fix the fiscal problems facing the country. Everyone's priorities are in the wrong places and it's pathetic yet sad that the American people would vote such people into office and listen to all the media clowns.
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This is what drives me crazy about this country. We have a fiscal crisis of epic proportions and we care about the name order of a chant. All of these so called reporters have so little understanding of finance and accouinting that they cant talk about things that are actually important. they are utterly useless drones of politicians. now, the politicians are just as big of idiots. they dont want to address the finances because they simpoly are clueless. Ask the hard questions, does this affect our lives? our childrens lives? If yes, that is probably something we should be discussing. The saddest part is these moronic reporters are actually a part of the 1% in which the left (and many on the right) is complaining about.
God forbid we offend someone with tough questions or hold them accountable for thier actions !

Don't you know we have to be politically correct ?
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Again you mix whether those that attacked the embassy were justified! They were not! That is not the issue, so let's drop that part of the argument. That's not my point at all!

It also is fruitless to try to enforce our values on those Muslims that protested. Their values are a reality that can only be changed by education over time. Based on their experience with dictatorial government and our large presence in the Middle East they believe theses attacks on Islam are coordinated by the U.S. Government! Keep in mind that it is pretty well accepted that our government overthrew a democratically elected leader in Iran 33 years ago and installed a pro American military dictator. I won't go into all the other involvements of the U.S. in the Middle East! Simply many in the Middle East do not trust the U.S. and believe we are trying to control their countries. Now add in Muslim fundamentalist extremists to stir the pot and it all it takes is burning of Korans (which was done by both a Christian minister and our military personnel) to lead them to think there is a war on Islam.

Having said that, if a person knowing how these Muslims will react then purposely does something to enrage them and knowlingly puts other people's lives at risk they must be responsible for their actions. People have died!

A jury must decide if the person indicted was simply and genuinely trying to express an idea, or intentionally attempting to incite Muslims to break the law and riot putting lives at risk. I think there is a good case to be made that both the "Koran Burning Minister" and the "Maker of the Youtube Video" were not really trying to express some simple opinion or point of view protected by the 1st Amendment. I think both were trying to provoke an insult Muslims for their own bigoted reasons and in doing so caused deaths.

If we excuse these actions as freedom of speech we are in for another Crusades, and this one will likely involve more 9/11 type attacks and eventually nuclear weapons. Am I exaggerating. Before a bunch of Saudi Arabians flew airplanes into the Twin Towers I might have agreed....not now! We don't want this to be allowed to become a religious war in the eyes of the Muslims of the world, or everyone on this Earth is in trouble! You can't effectively threaten a religious zealot with explosives strapped to his chest! What are you going to do, kill him!

For those Pres. Bush "Bring it on!" types that want to play it macho, before we'll kill every Muslim that can attack us this world may be a cinder floating through space! If a person will strap explosives to his chest or fly an airplane into a building you might just consider we need to make him understand we aren't attacking his religion and culture. Playing "Last Man Standing" is a very costly game that may never end! The Israelis are tough and have lots of weapons, but their children will never be safe until they make peace with the Palestinians. Kill 10 terrorists and create 50 more! That may say something about our drone attacks when innocent people are killed! We may kill some Al Qaeda leadership, but very possibly also help their recruiting tremendously! Unintended consequences!

We are not going to change the tribal thinking of the Middle East in the short run, so maybe we should come home and try to change them by our democratic example..... not our soldiers and drones!
Not much to do with politics on my end but do you see the common problem? Religion. Islam vs Christianity. That's the issue. Religion is bad. Look back over history most wars were started be cause of religion.

That's my piece said and done.
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Not much to do with politics on my end but do you see the common problem? Religion. Islam vs Christianity. That's the issue. Religion is bad. Look back over history most wars were started be cause of religion.

That's my piece said and done.
Little bit of a hasty conclusion maybe? I wouldn't say "religion is bad". It's those that are completely intolerant of other religions and that blindly follow their corrupt leaders that give religion a bad name. The wars often have much to do with natural resources using religion as an excuse.
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Little bit of a hasty conclusion maybe? I wouldn't say "religion is bad". It's those that are completely intolerant of other religions and that blindly follow their corrupt leaders that give religion a bad name. The wars often have much to do with natural resources using religion as an excuse.
I would agree. I saw a great documentary on the history channel on religion back in the middle ages and crusades. Many wars were due to resources, trade routes, and within the religions there were power struggles of the differnt leaders. Some generals started wars against the wishes of the leaders of their religions in order to build a name for themselves and to be granted kingdoms of their own. The army's in many cases worked for the general, not the king or religeous leader. Religion has been used as an excuse over time, whereas the underlying cause in most cases seemed to be greed (land/wealth/women). The more things change, the more they stay the same.
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Not much to do with politics on my end but do you see the common problem? Religion. Islam vs Christianity. That's the issue. Religion is bad. Look back over history most wars were started be cause of religion.

That's my piece said and done.
So you are going to pop in, drop that then leave?
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So you are going to pop in, drop that then leave?
That's what I was wondering. Maybe that should be an added rule...
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HaHa ! Those guys at MSNBC are such jokers ! A credible news source such as this would NEVER try to mis-lead the public !

Hey Opinyawn, I think I might of missed something ? Could you please tell me who the 47% is ?
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