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Old 09-27-2012, 08:54 PM   #381
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Does anyone think that Obama admin misled or lied to America about the killings in Libya? The Obama campaign wants this to go away. It will go away because the left wing media will let it. Media bias right now is pretty bad. Some polls show Obama with a 9 point lead which is crazy. If the media post these polls certain voters are influenced by this. If could also hurt the dems by low turnout if the voter believe Obama has it won already.
For starters, Gov. Romney was an insensitive idiot for IMMEDIATELY politicizing the deaths of Americans in the incidents.

That forced the administration to make statements before ANYONE had any concrete answers.

Back the hell off, investigate, find actual answers, react to those answers and move forward. Knee jerk reactions only create more problems (remember the Maine!). We the people need to realize that while we may find out that something happened immediately, we're not going to find out what really happened and why it happened for some time after the fact.

That's not media bias, that's a rational reaction to an issue.

As to the polls, they are what they are, their methodology has remained the same for years, and there's just as much right wing spin on the polls (Drudge is REALLY getting pathetic with this) as there is left wing spin.
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Does anyone think that Obama admin misled or lied to America about the killings in Libya? Obama killed Bin Laden on his watch. He wants America to believe a terrorist attack can't happen under him. Guess what it happened.

The Obama campaign wants this to go away.
It will go away because the left wing media will let it.Media bias right now is pretty bad. Some polls show Obama with a 9 point lead which is crazy. If the media post these polls certain voters are influenced by this. If could also hurt the dems by low turnout if the voter believe Obama has it won already.
Romney put his foot in his mouth once again. He should have shut up and atleast waited til the dust settled then use obamas own own against him. I think Obama is playing this down to appease the muslims so there won't be any more attacks out incidents before the election.

Yes the majority of the big media outlets are very left leaning and bias but the polls are what they are. I would take all of them with a grain of salt but the fact is Romney is kicking his own ***. There are plenty of things that Obama has done that Romney could go after but he keeps making stupid mistakes. Unless something major happens it doesn't look good for the republicans
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For starters, Gov. Romney was an insensitive idiot for IMMEDIATELY politicizing the deaths of Americans in the incidents.

That forced the administration to make statements before ANYONE had any concrete answers.

Back the hell off, investigate, find actual answers, react to those answers and move forward. Knee jerk reactions only create more problems (remember the Maine!). We the people need to realize that while we may find out that something happened immediately, we're not going to find out what really happened and why it happened for some time after the fact.

That's not media bias, that's a rational reaction to an issue.

As to the polls, they are what they are, their methodology has remained the same for years, and there's just as much right wing spin on the polls (Drudge is REALLY getting pathetic with this) as there is left wing spin.
Admin knew within 24 hours after the attacks it was terrorist. This has been confirmed by 2 ppl on the intel team. But the following Sunday morning 5 days after the attacks Rice went on a media tour saying it was from the you tube video still. We've been mislead or lied to. Rice is either incompetent or was being coached. Idk but I don't like it. And this is no way Romneys fault. Maybe he shouldn't had spoke so soon but this isn't his doings

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For starters, Gov. Romney was an insensitive idiot for IMMEDIATELY politicizing the deaths of Americans in the incidents.

That forced the administration to make statements before ANYONE had any concrete answers.

Back the hell off, investigate, find actual answers, react to those answers and move forward. Knee jerk reactions only create more problems (remember the Maine!). We the people need to realize that while we may find out that something happened immediately, we're not going to find out what really happened and why it happened for some time after the fact.

That's not media bias, that's a rational reaction to an issue.

As to the polls, they are what they are, their methodology has remained the same for years, and there's just as much right wing spin on the polls (Drudge is REALLY getting pathetic with this) as there is left wing spin.
Drudge just posts articles from other news outlets, i wouldn't call that spinning the stories like the news outlets themselves do
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Drudge just posts articles from other news outlets, i wouldn't call that spinning the stories like the news outlets themselves do
Sort of. Drudge chooses articles. I work for a newspaper. It's a huge deal for anyone to get Drudged. It exponentially increases page views for those websites. Thus money from the ads that come with each page view/impression.

The ability to spin is certainly something Drudge can do.
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Sort of. Drudge chooses articles. I work for a newspaper. It's a huge deal for anyone to get Drudged. It exponentially increases page views for those websites. Thus money from the ads that come with each page view/impression.

The ability to spin is certainly something Drudge can do.
They may be bias in the articles they choose but that does not mean they are the ones spinning the facts
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They may be bias in the articles they choose but that does not mean they are the ones spinning the facts
They spin and sensationalize the headlines to the point where the article frequently bears no resemblance to the posted headline.
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For starters, Gov. Romney was an insensitive idiot for IMMEDIATELY politicizing the deaths of Americans in the incidents.

That forced the administration to make statements before ANYONE had any concrete answers.

Back the hell off, investigate, find actual answers, react to those answers and move forward. Knee jerk reactions only create more problems (remember the Maine!). We the people need to realize that while we may find out that something happened immediately, we're not going to find out what really happened and why it happened for some time after the fact.

That's not media bias, that's a rational reaction to an issue.
This is how it went down. (all times Eastern)

Around 6:am Tuesday, Sept 11 (Before the attack at Benghazi)

Statement from the U.S. Embassy in Cairo

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The Embassy of the United States in Cairo condemns the continuing efforts by misguided individuals to hurt the religious feelings of Muslims – as we condemn efforts to offend believers of all religions. Today, the 11th anniversary of the September 11, 2001, terrorist attacks on the United States, Americans are honoring our patriots and those who serve our nation as the fitting response to the enemies of democracy. Respect for religious beliefs is a cornerstone of American democracy. We firmly reject the actions by those who abuse the universal right of free speech to hurt the religious beliefs of others.
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Tuesday around 6:30 p.m. (The attack on the compound at Benghazi occurred around mid afternoon Eastern time.)


In Twitter Message, U.S. Embassy Stands by Statement

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The American embassy in Cairo sends a message on Twitter that it "still stands" by their initial statement. The message was later deleted.
This morning's condemnation (issued before protest began) still stands. As does our condemnation of unjustified breach of the Embassy
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Tuesday, 10:08 p.m. (16 hours after the first message and 3 ½ hours after the second message from the embassy in Cairo)

Clinton Confirms Death of One American in Libya

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I condemn in the strongest terms the attack on our mission in Benghazi today. As we work to secure our personnel and facilities, we have confirmed that one of our State Department officers was killed. We are heartbroken by this terrible loss. Our thoughts and prayers are with his family and those who have suffered in this attack.
This evening, I called Libyan President Magariaf to coordinate additional support to protect Americans in Libya. President Magariaf expressed his condemnation and condolences and pledged his government’s full cooperation.
Some have sought to justify this vicious behavior as a response to inflammatory material posted on the Internet. The United States deplores any intentional effort to denigrate the religious beliefs of others. Our commitment to religious tolerance goes back to the very beginning of our nation. But let me be clear: There is never any justification for violent acts of this kind.
In light of the events of today, the United States government is working with partner countries around the world to protect our personnel, our missions, and American citizens worldwide.
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Tuesday, 10:10 p.m.

So she acknowledged the attack, the death and make a statement that this type of action is “condemned” by the United States. Then she make a statement that “Some have sought to justify this vicious behavior as a response to inflammatory material posted on the Internet.” This gives validity to the message from the Cairo embassy. She then continues to imply that it was a video that caused the attack(s).

Now you said “Back the hell off, investigate, find actual answers, react to those answers and move forward. Knee jerk reactions only create more problems.” Well it seems that the Obama administration was first to fail in doing just as you suggested. They went head first with the video excuse before trying to find anything out. But wait, there's more…………………

Politico Reports Obama Administration Disavows Embassy Statement

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The statement by Embassy Cairo was not cleared by Washington and does not reflect the views of the United States government.
Why did it take 16 hours after the first message and 3 ½ hours after the second to finally come to the conclusion that the statement from the embassy does not “reflect” the views of the White House?

http://www.politico.com/politico44/2...gy-135247.html

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Tuesday, 10:24 p.m.


Romney Criticizes Administration's Response

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I'm outraged by the attacks on American diplomatic missions in Libya and Egypt and by the death of an American consulate worker in Benghazi. It's disgraceful that the Obama administration's first response was not to condemn attacks on our diplomatic missions, but to sympathize with those who waged the attacks.
Could he have waited till midnight so he would be past the 9/11 embargo? Sure. Was his statement a knee jerk response? No it wasn’t. It was clear from the start that the statement from the embassy was wrong. The follow up statement and the statement by the Secretary of State were also wrong. Hillary did condemn but quickly went on to validate the “video” theory as to the reason for the attacks and basically apologizes for it. The White House failed to initially disavow the embassy’s initial and follow up statement and only after it was obvious that things were bad, real bad, did they do so to try and look at least somewhat strong on the matter.

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Wednesday, 12:09 a.m.

Obama Spokesman Responds to Romney's Statement

Ben LaBolt: Spokesman for the Obama campaign

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We are shocked that, at a time when the United States of America is confronting the tragic death of one of our diplomatic officers in Libya, Governor Romney would choose to launch a political attack.
And we as Americans should be shocked that the President of the United States and his administration were so lackluster in their failure to initially respond to the situation. We also are amazed that they had intel of possible attacks but failed to really do anything about it in Libya.

http://www.jpost.com/Headlines/Article.aspx?id=284684




The biggest lie from the White House in this whole matter was this statement from Hillary: "The United States deplores any intentional effort to denigrate the religious beliefs of others". If they did then things like this wouldn't happen.

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“The U.S. State Department removed the sections covering religious freedom from the Country Reports on Human Rights that it released on May 24, three months past the statutory deadline Congress set for the release of these reports.
“The new human rights reports—purged of the sections that discuss the status of religious freedom in each of the countries covered—are also the human rights reports that include the period that covered the Arab Spring and its aftermath.
“Thus, the reports do not provide in-depth coverage of what has happened to Christians and other religious minorities in predominantly Muslim countries in the Middle East that saw the rise of revolutionary movements in 2011 in which Islamist forces played an instrumental role.
For the first time ever, the State Department simply eliminated the section of religious freedom in its reports covering 2011 and instead referred the public to the 2010 International Religious Freedom Report — a full two years behind the times — or to the annual report of the U.S. Commission on International Religious Freedom (USCIRF), which was released last September and covers events in 2010 but not 2011.”
http://original.antiwar.com/justin/2...-christianity/

Islamic extremists in India attacked a Christian prayer meeting in West Bengal state, beating a 65-year-old widow and other women less than a month after they helped drive a young woman out of her home and village for her faith.


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Islamists in Nutangram, Murshidabad district forced their way into the home of Gaffar Shaike on March 30 at around 2 p.m., as 11 Christians from Believers’ Church were gathered for lunch and worship. In the same area of Nutangram on March 9, Islamic extremists drove 22-year-old Rekha Khatoon out of her village because she dared to give thanks for healing in Christ’s name in the predominantly Muslim village; her parents helped the Islamists to beat her nearly unconscious.
http://www.compassdirect.org/english...e_1503416.html

Not to mention things like this.

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An Egyptian court on Tuesday upheld a three year sentence against a 16-year-old Christian student for posting a drawing on his Facebook page that mocked Islam and the Prophet Mohamed.The Assiut Court of Appeals said that it has found Gamal Abdu Massoud guilty of defaming religion, state-run news service MENA reported on Tuesday.

Massoud published the cartoons in December, then some Muslims reacted angrily by attacking Christians and burning houses in the Manqabad village in the southern city of Assiut, home to a large Christian population.
http://elderofziyon.blogspot.com/201...in-prison.html
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