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Old 10-12-2012, 10:20 PM   #1461
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I agree, except with the blaming Obama for the divisiveness! The very comments of many Republicans layed out their plans of obstruction! My opinion is that Obama is a poor communicator in not using the media better when not campaigning. He should have gone to the public much more explaining his actions! He said it, but never made a strong case for the fact that healthcare costs are the #1 cause of the national debt! Many economists have confirmed that opinion with near 19% going to the healthcare industry, but he didn't sell that idea to the public and didn't get the support needed!

Obama has not been perfect, but Romney stands for everything I'm against and I feel he will hurt the average American not because he intends to hurt them, but because of his Bush "Trickle Down" "Job creator" ideology! He and Ryan will say that you can choose Medicare, but they know that removing the "Individual Mandate" is a poison pill to Medicare that kill it and leave us at the mercy of the insurance companies again! I wasn't afraid of him a year ago, but I am now based on his own statements! If he is elected, I hope the Romney that was a governor shows up instead of the Romney during the primaries, or Romney #3 that showed up for the debates! There are at least three different Romneys, but the one who was a governor is the least unpleasant! It's interesting how little talk there is about how unpopular Romney was at the end of his term as governor! According to the polls, he is still not very popular in Mass. What does that say?
Care to post the economic growth numbers and tax revenue created by this "bush trickle down" policy you rant about?
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Mods won't allow it. It sucks because i love political cartoons on all sides but they are just trying to keep the thread alive. Maybe we should start a thread for only pics?
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Mods won't allow it. It sucks because i love political cartoons, but they are just trying to keep the thread alive. Maybe we should start a thread for only pics?
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I agree, except with the blaming Obama for the divisiveness! The very comments of many Republicans layed out their plans of obstruction! My opinion is that Obama is a poor communicator in not using the media better when not campaigning. He should have gone to the public much more explaining his actions! He said it, but never made a strong case for the fact that healthcare costs are the #1 cause of the national debt! Many economists have confirmed that opinion with near 19% going to the healthcare industry, but he didn't sell that idea to the public and didn't get the support needed!

Obama has not been perfect, but Romney stands for everything I'm against and I feel he will hurt the average American not because he intends to hurt them, but because of his Bush "Trickle Down" "Job creator" ideology! He and Ryan will say that you can choose Medicare, but they know that removing the "Individual Mandate" is a poison pill to Medicare that kill it and leave us at the mercy of the insurance companies again! I wasn't afraid of him a year ago, but I am now based on his own statements! If he is elected, I hope the Romney that was a governor shows up instead of the Romney during the primaries, or Romney #3 that showed up for the debates! There are at least three different Romneys, but the one who was a governor is the least unpleasant! It's interesting how little talk there is about how unpopular Romney was at the end of his term as governor! According to the polls, he is still not very popular in Mass. What does that say?
Opinyawn, I appreciate your position. As I mentioned to "Truck", who shares some of your views, I was referring to the divisiveness caused by the president's interference in local law enforcement issues that had sensitive racial components. He stirred the pot, unnecessarily. I didn't make that clear in my original post - my apologies.

As I also mentioned in that earlier post, I think both parties interfere with each other's agendas all the time. It's part of the business as usual, partisan politics that obstructs progress in Washington. In this case, both parties are guilty of divisiveness, but this isn't what I was talking about in my comment about Obama.

I agree with you also, in that of all the different Mitt Romneys we've seen, I hope it is the Governor Romney we see when he takes office.
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Opinyawn, I appreciate your position. As I mentioned to "Truck", who shares some of your views, I was referring to the divisiveness caused by the president's interference in local law enforcement issues that had sensitive racial components. He stirred the pot, unnecessarily. I didn't make that clear in my original post - my apologies.

As I also mentioned in that earlier post, I think both parties interfere with each other's agendas all the time. It's part of the business as usual, partisan politics that obstructs progress in Washington. In this case, both parties are guilty of divisiveness, but this isn't what I was talking about in my comment about Obama.

I agree with you also, in that of all the different Mitt Romneys we've seen, I hope it is the Governor Romney we see when he takes office.
I missed your post about local law enforcement interference.... so I'm lost what you are talking about... other than the treatment of the Black College Professor on his porch.... but that's Ok!

It's nice to have "Truck" around to take some of the lightening strikes I usually get! The Conservatives have actually been nicer to him then the have ever been to me based on some of his posts! LOL!
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I missed your post about local law enforcement interference.... so I'm lost what you are talking about... other than the treatment of the Black College Professor on his porch.... but that's Ok!

It's nice to have "Truck" around to take some of the lightening strikes I usually get! The Conservatives have actually been nicer to him then the have ever been to me based on some of his posts! LOL!
See post #1433 (a response to #1432).

Truck did take some of the heat off you, didn't he? Too thin-skinned though, to stick around, and carrying too much anger/intolerance.

BTW, not everyone that dislikes Obama is a Conservative or a Republican. There are some that voted for him and had high hopes, only to be disappointed (as they will be again if he is re-elected). There's a few liberals on here that would vote for Clinton in a heartbeat, but will not vote for Obama.
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Mods won't allow it. It sucks because i love political cartoons on all sides but they are just trying to keep the thread alive. Maybe we should start a thread for only pics?
Cartoons or pictures were the humor is the driving force and purpose are Ok, but many of the cartoons are just plain political bias that irritate and start fights. Judges don't allow evidence that prejudices the jury far more than it informs them. Your Avatar is a good example. It has some humor, but it is also a slap in the face for a whole group of people, demeaning their opinions. To me it's not funny!

Here's an example I used before to illustrate how a joke can be more prejudice than humor and therefore not a good idea:

Two Republican's were leaving an expensive men's club lunch when they noticed a skeleton propped up against a wall in alley by the building. The skeleton had both legs missing and only one arm. It also had a white cane and the dark glasses of a blind man on the boney skull.

One Republican looked at the other and said, "Obviously another Liberal Democrat of the 47% who never learned self responsibility due to FDR and his like!"

It portrays Republicans in a prejudical way and just isn't fair even if it is funny. That's how I feel about your Avatar and many of the posts you make, and that's what has to be considered when a cartoon or joke is presented.

Moderators, PLEASE leave the picture up as I am trying to use it to make a "good" point... not start an argument:

Click the image to open in full size.

I support both Obama and Hillary, but I see more humor in this picture than irritation. I'd be surprised if Obama and Hillary wouldn't smile if they saw it! It's more about the humor, than an attack! My point is a joke is not a joke unless all parties can laugh at it.... and I think that is a good rule to use in deciding what to post!
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Except your joke isn't funny

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Don't waste your time. That's what all politicians say and think about the other party.

I am talking specifically about Obama weighing in on the Trayvon Martin case and the arrest of Harvard professor Henry Louis Gates Jr.. Both of those are local matters and when the president throws his two cents into the ring, he immediately inflames racial tensions. I've said this before in the first political thread, but I'll say it again here - the shooting of Trayvon Martin is a tragedy, but there are kids getting killed all over this country every day, and Obama chooses this one to get involved in. You don't hear him say anything about gangs of kids attacking random white people in retaliation, do you?

The arrest of Harvard professor Henry Louis Gates Jr. by a white Cambridge cop became an immediate national debate on racial profiling by cops when the president spoke about it. That cop was doing his job and the professor resisted when asked to identify himself. Everybody calls the cop a racist, but nobody mentions that he is married to a black woman. And do you honestly think the president needed to weigh in on this? It happened in the People's Republic of Cambridge for God's sake! You think the citizens of MA can't take care of this themselves with out the president's help?

Obama is the president (although he doesn't act like one often enough) and he should be focused on national issues, not local ones, and certainly not ones where race may be an issue. All that does is divide people: Obama speaks, the Al Sharpton speaks, then the Reverend Wright speaks, and the gangs think they have the green light to go on a rampage.

EDIT: Ask yourself if the President of the United States should get involved in local law enforcement.
Ok, I get the context. Well put ideas, but I see both issues differently.

(1.) Of course both of the parties want to defeat the other party in the next elections, but Mitch McConnell's statement made it a priority announcing the obstructionism that followed putting party before country. He made the #1 priority getting Obama out of office rather than doing the people's work by trying to work with Obama. Actions were then taken to make normally non contraversial acts and obstruct them to make the Obama administration look bad. Many of the appointments stalled and delayed were not even contraversial.

(2.) In my opinion "any" president should use the "Bully Pulpit" for teachable moments to change society's attitudes. He did that in both cases! The idea of having the professor and the cop sit down and have a beer and get past it was great! I suspect both of them were in the wrong! The professor got indignant and mouthy I suppose and the cop was not man enough to understand how he felt and back out of the situation with a light apology. Did you ever see the West Wing Episode where a Black nominee for Supreme Court Justice is pulled over for a "DWB", that is, Driving While Brown in a White Area and winds up getting arrested. The Latino judge is embarrassed in front of his son and gets and attitude and goes to jail. He won't let it go and wants it to go to court because he is pissed and the president has to send a heavyweight to get the judge to let it go, and the cop to apologize for the good of the nation.

In my mind the fact that Obama got us all to stop and talk about it is the point! It was a teachable moment that Obama used to remind us that we are all still trying to work out the prejudices that we have against each other, Black & White, Conservative and Liberal!

I don't think Obama was trying to divide us! I think he was trying to make us look at a real problem and work on it! A cop saw a partially crippled Black professor and assumed he was breaking into his own house, and an older, Black man was enraged likely because of early negative experiences in his life!

I was in the Watts Riots in L.A. and damn near got killed. I saw the prejudicial treatment of Blacks by police that had to deal with crime all day and became jaded and cynical. I watched for 10 minutes an old Black man quietly walk along a street slowly. A police car pulled up and a cop pulled off his hat and coat, threw them on the sidewalk and stomped on them looking for weapons. Then the cop pushed him on his way! I thought watching it that if I had been the old man's Black 20 year old grandson and seen that, I might have been throwing rocks at cop cars too! That's not justifying rioting at all! It's understanding entire communities explode for complicated reasons, not just because everyone is a criminal! 30 years ago I noticed that a market chain's prices were much less in a very high class neighborhood in Southern Calif. than in a poor Latino neighborhood. I asked the manager of the high class neighborhood why that was. He said do you want to hear the P.R. reason or the truth? He said, many of the people in the poor neighborhood don't have cars.... or the husband's have them at work, so they have to buy at our market and pay the price we charge! Rich people have options and they'll let you know if they don't like the prices!

My wife was a School Office Manager in a lower income mostly Latino neighborhood. The parents were deferential and rarely complained. I taught in a upper Middle Class neighbor that was 67% Asian! The Asians were tremendously supportive, but if you didn't do a good job they would drive you nuts with conferences, etc. One of parents of a Latino student in my own class found out that different school areas got different funding based on their property tax wealth! He didn't think that was fair to kids who were born in the wrong family by no fault of their own! He took it to the Supreme Court and got it changed!

Thank God for trouble makers that interfere when others might say, "Things are going just fine!"
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Maybe "Truck" thinks it's funny! Surprise, that's because it is more about prejudice about Conservatives than humor! Get it! Niether are many of the jokes that make Liberals look bad!

The idea came from a cartoon, I believe in Playboy.... that I used to get just for the articles! LOL! Actually, Playboy was a good magazine without the pictures.... but I would have missed them!
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