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Old 10-11-2012, 11:26 PM   #1401
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True...

...and why is Iran so (presumably) bent on getting nukes?

Same reason as N. Korea, because they feel so threatened by our foreign policy (which Dumb and Dumber actually want to magnify) they're going to do anything they can to secure themselves (or course, the Iranians are a bit more nutty, as they want to get rid of the Jews, which goes right back to the core of the matter, religion).

Consider this, the U.S. could have EASILY made an argument to invade half of Pakistan (which the Indians would have LOVED by the way). Gee, what's different between them and Iraq and Afghanistan?
Don't think so highly of us. The Iranian government doesn't give a sh-t about us. Their stated goal is the elimination of Israel. We only come into play because we are Israel's only ally in the world and may thwart their plans.

And it's not our foreign policy the Muslim world objects to, dispute what you think and what they say to the world. It is the fact that our lifestyle infiltrates their world and they can't control it due to technology and travel. Our way of life empowers the individual, including women and that doesn't sit right with the radicals. They terrorize their own people to gain and hold power, and it's been that way for thousands of years. They respect power. The Israelis and the Russians understand this. Do you think Russia would be apologizing if one of their ambassadors had been killed? Foreign relations are not as simple and clear-cut as you seem to think.

Edit: Evidence? We don't shoot 14 year old girls for advocating education for girls and women.
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Old 10-11-2012, 11:28 PM   #1402
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Don't think so highly of us. The Iranian government doesn't give a sh-t about us. Their stated goal is the elimination of Israel. We only come into play because we are Israel's only ally in the world and may thwart their plans.

And it's not our foreign policy the Muslim world objects to, dispute what you think and what they say to the world. It is the fact that our lifestyle infiltrates their world and they can't control it due to technology and travel. Our way of life empowers the individual, including women and that doesn't sit right with the radicals. They terrorize their own people to gain and hold power, and it's been that way for thousands of years. They respect power. The Israelis and the Russians understand this. Do you think Russia would be apologizing if one of their ambassadors had been killed? Foreign relations are not as simple and clear-cut as you seem to think.

Edit: Evidence? We don't shoot 14 year old girls for advocating education for girls and women.
No, we most certainly don't, however, pumping our fists and telling everybody
we've got the "big stick" and we're gonna use it, does nothing but increase paranoia and resentment. All that does is consolidate and embolden our enemies.

Honestly, I don't even know why I'm arguing here, with 70% voting for Dumb and Dumber, it really doesn't matter!
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That's obvious. Iranian nukes causing trouble that brings Russia, who still have ALL of their nukes and delivery vehicles, into the game. Nothing good will come of this.
Something else to add to the mix. Russia-US relations are not not at their high point. Russia is a traditional ally of Syria. Turkey is a member of NATO, as you know. If Syria and Turkey get into it (they are already shooting each others planes down), Turkey could, in theory, ask us to help under our NATO agreements. If we were to do that, Syria might ask Russia for support.
Something to think about:

http://apnews.myway.com/article/20121011/DA1RJRQ80.html
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No, we most certainly don't, however, pumping our fists and telling everybody
we've got the "big stick" and we're gonna use it, does nothing but increase paranoia and resentment. All that does is consolidate and embolden our enemies.

Honestly, I don't even know why I'm arguing here, with 70% voting for Dumb and Dumber, it really doesn't matter!
hard to take any of your posts or opinions seriously when you constantly insult those who don't agree with you. It's ok to have a different opinion, just disagree, don't offend.
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hard to take any of your posts or opinions seriously when you constantly insult those who don't agree with you. It's ok to have a different opinion, just disagree, don't offend.
Seriously. Insults fly from the right on this topic just as much.
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...Does any really realize how scary Ryan's comment of "Peace through strength" is? ...
Oh how wrong you are.

Example: I used to have a 21' Vee boat with a 300 hp outboard hanging off the back. Every Allison, STV, and Mirage on the river wanted to race me. Now, I have 2 - 300's hanging off the back. All of a sudden, people ride by staring and no one wants any of it. I don't even have to engage in potentially dangerous activities because everyone assumes I'll win.

Or, as Ronald Reagan said, ""We know that peace is the condition under which mankind was meant to flourish. Yet peace does not exist of its own will. It depends on us, on our courage to build it and guard it and pass it on to future generations. George Washington's words may seem hard and cold today, but history has proven him right again and again. "To be prepared for war," he said, "is one of the most effective means of preserving peace." Well, to those who think strength provokes conflict, Will Rogers had his own answer. He said of the world heavyweight champion of his day: "I've never seen anyone insult Jack Dempsey."

Thus, the strategy that lead to the US winning the Cold War.

It makes perfect sense to me.

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No, we most certainly don't, however, pumping our fists and telling everybody
we've got the "big stick" and we're gonna use it, does nothing but increase paranoia and resentment. All that does is consolidate and embolden our enemies.

Honestly, I don't even know why I'm arguing here, with 70% voting for Dumb and Dumber, it really doesn't matter!
You need to clean up your act a little bit.
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hard to take any of your posts or opinions seriously when you constantly insult those who don't agree with you. It's ok to have a different opinion, just disagree, don't offend.
Feel free to look back to when I jumped in; I did not cast the first stone, so to speak. There are simply some "elements" that seem very offended at my viewpoints, which, of course, is not surprising given the poll results.
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